After seeing the start of Pein's assault...?

[Immortal-JyNxX]

I wonder is there anyone out there that still believes Madara could beat him? I mean come on! The excuse I always hear is "we don't even know what the Reinngan does" or "we haven't seen the power of EMS." But fact is every time we see Pein in action he's doing all types of crazy sh*t! And what's scary about it is those actions might not have anything to do with his eyes! First we see crazy stuff like resurection, black Chakra swords, super summons, eating jutsus and shared vision. Now we see Byakugan like sight, mind reading, soul stealing, missile launching and another crazy summoned monster! There is NO WAY Pein should be able to loose to a single shinobi! It better take Team 7(with Sasugay) along with Shikamaru, Tsunade, some other ninjas and a whole lotta luck to beat this guy!

[POW]

I used the Star wars reference before to relate Pain to Vader and Madara to Sidious. Vader always had the potential to surpass Sidious bu sidous had greater wisdom and secrets he always kept from Vader to keep him in check.

The same is probably true with Madara and Pain...Madara may know Pain's secrets but Pain doesnt know Madara's.

[lazybum]

^that could be true, but till wat we've seen, i say pein>madara

[Immortal-JyNxX]

I really doubt even Madara has seen Pein's true body! Oh man ask yourself this, is Madara bad enough to kick down Kohona's door without a single thought of defeat?

[POW]

I really doubt even Madara has seen Pein's true body! Oh man ask yourself this, is Madara bad enough to kick down Kohona's door without a single thought of defeat?

He already did when he helped wipe out the Uchiha...


However keeping is ID a seceret seems more important to him now than being flashy. I dont think Madara is at 100% yet something about him disturbs me we never see him do anything but run like his body is not at its full potential.

[Rokudaime Sennin ™]

I used the Star wars reference before to relate Pain to Vader and Madara to Sidious. Vader always had the potential to surpass Sidious bu sidous had greater wisdom and secrets he always kept from Vader to keep him in check.

The same is probably true with Madara and Pain...Madara may know Pain's secrets but Pain doesnt know Madara's.

you speak with truthiness

[Bartholomeow Kuma]

Amaterasu + Susano'o + Jikukan Ninjutsu
Enough to bring that 6 People Down ?

[KanzakiUrusei]

Madara knows Pein's secrets..

And how can Madara give direct orders to Pein, and Pein obeying them, if he's less stronger than Pein? That's for me a sufficent proof that Madara is way stronger than Pein.

[Immortal-JyNxX]

He already did when he helped wipe out the Uchiha...

Lol you say that as if Kohona payed attention to that Clan's demise. Senju's dogs! That was FAR from jumping in the middle of the village and destroying everything in sight!

Amaterasu + Susano'o + Jikukan Ninjutsu
Enough to bring that 6 People Down ?

Huh? Madara has Itachi's jutsu lol! When was this discovered?

Madara knows Pein's secrets..

And how can Madara give direct orders to Pein, and Pein obeying them, if he's less stronger than Pein? That's for me a sufficent proof that Madara is way stronger than Pein.

Again another ride on the speculation train. Who said Madara know's any secret of Pein? And I really don't take him telling Pein to go after Naruto as an order. Madara is just the brains of the operation. Pein is definitively the Leader. And if Madara is so informed about Pein. How come he spit useless warnings to Pein only for Konan to explain to Madara that it wasn't needed since Pein never lost a battle? Hell for all we know Madara is only aware of Yahiko Pein.

[Skylarr]

I don't know if Madara is stronger than Pein or Pein is stronger than him but I was like YES FINALY SOME GREAT ACTION.
Pain is so awesome I mean he looks extremely strong.