Ichigo's Hallow

**ApolloSeig** · 08-02-2007, 06:24 PM

Does anyone know what kinda of level Ichigo's Hollow is?

Ichigo, while in Hollow form, demonstrated several high-level abilities, including instantaneous regeneration, enhancement of limbs, and the ability to fire cero blasts from his fingers.

Cero are high-powered energy blasts that can be fired from the mouth or hand. Only menos, arrancar, and vizard have so far been shown to use cero attacks, and it appears that higher classes of hollow can use it more efficiently.

Could it be possible that Ichigo's Hollow be a Menos class Vasto lorde or atleast a Adjuchas?

Also, Arrancar Hollow's true form sealed into a sword. Therefore, an arrancar's release of their zanpakutō is merely a temporary restoration of their former selves. An arrancar release is called resurrección.

Could it be possible for Ichigo to have a three release that would give him more Hollow abilities?

P.S.
Sorry if this was asked before. Also I am sory if these sound like reatard questions.

Also, my info came from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_%28Bleach%29#Powers
Give credit when credit is due.

**kryu** · 08-02-2007, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by ApolloSeig

Does anyone know what kinda of level Ichigo's Hollow is?

Ichigo, while in Hollow form, demonstrated several high-level abilities, including instantaneous regeneration, enhancement of limbs, and the ability to fire cero blasts from his fingers.

Cero are high-powered energy blasts that can be fired from the mouth or hand. Only menos, arrancar, and vizard have so far been shown to use cero attacks, and it appears that higher classes of hollow can use it more efficiently.

Could it be possible that Ichigo's Hollow be a Menos class Vasto lorde or atleast a Adjuchas?

Also, Arrancar Hollow's true form sealed into a sword. Therefore, an arrancar's release of their zanpakutō is merely a temporary restoration of their former selves. An arrancar release is called resurrección.

Could it be possible for Ichigo to have a three release that would give him more Hollow abilities?

P.S.
Sorry if this was asked before. Also I am sory if these sound like reatard questions.

Also, my info came from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_%28Bleach%29#Powers
Give credit when credit is due.

Ichigo's hollow is just a normal hollow.

it is explained in the Grimmjaw flashbacks:
NORMAL hollow -- fusions between many --> Gillian
Gillian -- individualize/eat own kind --> Adjuchas
Adjuchas -- must constantly eat more powerful ones --> Vastolorde

Although Ichigo's hollow can fire Cero and do all sorts of crazy shit...

a) It did NOT come from the fusion of multiple hollows, it manifested from Ichigo himself
b) We can't be certain that what Ichigo's hollow is firing, it MIGHT not be a Cero

**AznDevil** · 08-02-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by kryu

Ichigo's hollow is just a normal hollow.

it is explained in the Grimmjaw flashbacks:
NORMAL hollow -- fusions between many --> Gillian
Gillian -- individualize/eat own kind --> Adjuchas
Adjuchas -- must constantly eat more powerful ones --> Vastolorde

Although Ichigo's hollow can fire Cero and do all sorts of crazy shit...

a) It did NOT come from the fusion of multiple hollows, it manifested from Ichigo himself
b) We can't be certain that what Ichigo's hollow is firing, it MIGHT not be a Cero

No damn way is Ichigo's hollow a normal hollow it can freaking beat Byakuya. Adjuchas are at least at the levels of a Shinigami vice-captain therefore it is at least at adjucha or possibly a vasta lord.

**kryu** · 08-03-2007, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by AznDevil

No damn way is Ichigo's hollow a normal hollow it can freaking beat Byakuya. Adjuchas are at least at the levels of a Shinigami vice-captain therefore it is at least at adjucha or possibly a vasta lord.

we're not categorizing Ichigo's hollow POWER-WISE.

according to the Menos evolution tree from Grimmjaw's flashbacks, Ichigo's Hollow havent even gone through any of the process...

in fact, the Hollow didn't even actually came out of Ichigo's body and making a full hole on it's chest, thus it isn't even a full hollow yet.

sure, you can argue that it has the POWER level of a Vastalord, but it is NOT one, simply because it haven't even became a gillian yet by fusing with hundreds of other hollows
(not to mention that it didnt even taken over Ichigo's body to EAT other hollows)

personally, i believe the hollow is something else, but in NO way is it consider a Menos

**BillDoors** · 08-03-2007, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by kryu

sure, you can argue that it has the POWER level of a Vastalord, but it is NOT one, simply because it haven't even became a gillian yet by fusing with hundreds of other hollows
(not to mention that it didnt even taken over Ichigo's body to EAT other hollows)

personally, i believe the hollow is something else, but in NO way is it consider a Menos

There is one thing you may be overlooking here... an Adjuchas forms when, in a Gillian, a single Hollow that was absorbed into it emerges as a driving force of consciousness and willpower. What is it about that particular Hollow that causes it to emerge dominant out of the mass of other Hollows?

I have a theory about this (yeah, I know... "he has a theory, him and everyone else")... a common Hollow forms when a Plus/Whole degenerates into one because, for whatever reason, he has failed to pass on to Soul Society, or because it was consumed (or "converted") by another Hollow. Any Soul can become a Hollow - the mailman or your grandmother as much as the Desert Fox or the guy who shot down the Red Baron. A Hollow is a soul lacking it's "heart," or rather it's humanity, but it *does* retain, to some extent, it's memories and other characteristics of the person it once was. My "theory", then, is that most Hollows are as weak as they are because they are the corrupted souls of otherwise ordinary, common, or even "petty" people... whereas the Hollows that are capable of "ascending" out of the masses into an Adjuchas or even Vasto Lord are those that, in some way, were truly exceptional or powerfully important or even particularly heroic people... in other words, the Hollow formed out of a "great" soul is a "proto-Menos" (or perhaps a proto-Adjuchas or even proto-Vasto). Whatever Grimmjow was in life defined what he became in death - likewise with the other Espada... which brings us to Ichigo.

Ichigo is unquestionably heroic - his actions have directly and distinctly shaped the course of history both at home (by purifying Hollows that would have otherwise gone on to "truncate" the lives of other living people, including those who would later manifest their own powers and heroism) and in Soul Society (he was one of Aizen's key fall-guys for his conspiracy, then went on and helped to expose Aizen by thwarting Rukia's execution, thus winning the recognition and limited respect of Soul Society). The sustained presence of his spiritual energy in Karakura town alone has directly resulted in the advanced development of spiritual energies and powers in others. If he were to become a Hollow, and everything that I have presumed is true, it would be a prime candidate for eventually emerging as an Adjuchas. The really interesting variable here is that his soul did start "to Hollow" (<- verb) out, as we all know - but the process was thwarted, resulting in a soul that is both Whole and Hollow at the same time, in addition to still being alive and a Shinigami (a seeming paradox in and of itself)! There are some things we could probably say with some certainty about Hollows and Arrancar - but as has been mentioned, it would be a little narrow to talk about what is and isn't possible for Ichigo's Hollow, because Ichigo (and his Hollow) are effected by variables not present in any other character yet introduced (I mean the specific combination of variables - namely, being alive, a Shinigami, and a Hollow simultaneously - the Vizard are obviously both Shinigami and Hollows).

...All of that aside: one of the Vizard (Kensei?) distinctly recognized the attack as Cero. You would think he'd know, right?

**Bappy** · 08-03-2007, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by kryu

Ichigo's hollow is just a normal hollow.

it is explained in the Grimmjaw flashbacks:
NORMAL hollow -- fusions between many --> Gillian
Gillian -- individualize/eat own kind --> Adjuchas
Adjuchas -- must constantly eat more powerful ones --> Vastolorde

Although Ichigo's hollow can fire Cero and do all sorts of crazy shit...

a) It did NOT come from the fusion of multiple hollows, it manifested from Ichigo himself
b) We can't be certain that what Ichigo's hollow is firing, it MIGHT not be a Cero

If we're talking about the fight when Ichigo was fighting Ogihci, and the other Vizards were fighting him while he was physically turning into a Hollow, I'm pretty sure one of the Vizards specifically mentioned that he was firing a cero. D:

**ApolloSeig** · 08-03-2007, 03:07 AM

Well when we 1st saw Ichigo's Hallow he was humniod, but it could also be said he look human because of the dimension they were in. Also what if Ichigo's Hallow mixed with Zangetsu or better yet ate him? I might be be wrong but I do not remember seeing the Old Man since his Hallow said that him and Zangetsu are one now. Maybe the crimson lines that keep growing on Ichigo's mask are how strong Ichigo's Hallow really is? Could it also be possible that Ichigo's Hallow is feeding off of Ichigo's own energy?

**Psycho** · 08-03-2007, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by ApolloSeig

Well when we 1st saw Ichigo's Hallow he was humniod, but it could also be said he look human because of the dimension they were in. Also what if Ichigo's Hallow mixed with Zangetsu or better yet ate him? I might be be wrong but I do not remember seeing the Old Man since his Hallow said that him and Zangetsu are one now. Maybe the crimson lines that keep growing on Ichigo's mask are how strong Ichigo's Hallow really is? Could it also be possible that Ichigo's Hallow is feeding off of Ichigo's own energy?

that might be true but the hichigo said that there are one not are one now when one over powers the other either Zangetsu or HIchigo rules ichigo's innerself right now that is Hichigo but sooner or later Zangestu will come back better than ever i no it!!!

**spaZ** · 08-03-2007, 03:38 AM

since ichigo is a shimigami his hollow is going to be stronger than normal ones, though his hollow really is not a hollow to say since its like part of him.

**Kendoki** · 08-03-2007, 03:49 AM

that might be true but the hichigo said that there are one not are one now when one over powers the other either Zangetsu or HIchigo rules ichigo's innerself right now that is Hichigo but sooner or later Zangestu will come back better than ever i no it!!!

No, Ichigo rules himself. His Hollow form even acknowledged this by refering to him several times as "King".