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    Byakuya is the only Shinigami as of yet to have multible bankai forms.

    He has 3: Senbonzakura Kageyoshi (millions of Cherry blossons, basically)
    The black dome with 1000 swords
    The 1 sword with a back-halo and wings


    I came up with my own rules for making multi-form bankais for my bleach characters. Basically, they can change into anything I want as long as only the shape changes, but not the properties of the bankai change, and in changing the bankais shape, you effect its attibutes. Now this may be confusing, so I will give some examples.

    EX1: When Byakuya creates the dome, he doesn't actually change the abilities of his bankai, all he does is rearange it into the shape of 1000 swords, and this in turn changes the bankai's attibutes by compressing it to increase power. (basically, Byakuya compresses his bankai like Ichigo's, but far less extreme.)

    Now, byakuya is the only Shinigami to have more then 1 stage to his Bankai thus far, so I will need to dig a bit for my examples if you don't mind >_>

    EX2: If Komamura were to develop a second stage for his Bankai, his Armour might compress and form around him, basically Allowing him to use is defensively and increasing its power by compresing it. It still would work the same, but because its shape is different, it can now be used for different situations, the only catch is it need to give up range to do this.

    EX3: One of my own characters Bankai basically gives him 1001 blades from his shikai, except he can control them in the air in a Senbon-esque manner. What his shikai does, is basically it can chage its size and shape into anything the Shinigami wants. (yes I know its overpowered, that is not the point) For his second stage-Bankai, he brings all of these blades together and basically uses them to copy someone elses Bankai. He does this by changing his Bankai's shape to mimic theirs, then using the remaining blades emulate the abilities of the bankai. (ie. For Hitsu's Bankai, blades act like ice. For Ichigo, they carry me to increase my speed and rapidly de-compress to mimic Getsuga Tenshou. For Byakuya...well actually thats pretty obviousy >_> At any rate, you get the point. They change shape to mimic the Bankai as closely as possibel, then the broken abilities of the Zanpakuto do the rest.)

    *GASP* Finally, until someone else gets another form of bankai, this can not be proven or disproved, but I feel it is a good template and
    1: In theory if a Shinigami changes drastically enough, their Zanpakuto would also change.
    2: Ichigo has obviously not yet mastered his Bankai, hell, Hitsugaya hasn't mastered his yet, so the degree of control Ichigo has now is bloody impressive.
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    "Bankai, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi" - Kuchiki Byakuya, right before he's about to **** you up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erpada View Post
    I was re-reading a couple of chapters ago, and when Ichigo's inner hollow says that he is Zangetsu, that the old man zangetsu and the hollow were one from the beggining. SO he gained his bankai from the old man zangetsu.
    So now that he controls his hollow transformation by putting his mask, what if he goes bankai while wearing the mask, that should take him to a whole new level, or his perfected 100% bankai, so far he has used bankai before he uses his mask so he probably only draws 50% of its power. Thats my conclusion, tell me what u think.
    I kinda like the idea of his Bankai evolving further. As lots of you had mentioned, even Byakuya states that Ichigo's Bankai is incomplete. And if we follow through his basic/main battle pattern thus far in the manga;

    RW: Vs Renji (50:50), Vs Byakuya (Lost)
    SS: Vs Ikkaku (Won), Vs Renji (Won), Vs Zaraki ("Won"), Vs Byakuya ("Won")

    You see that he attained Bankai (which is the ultimate for a Shinigami) and completed his battle with Zangetsu 'Oji-san' just before fighting Byakuya (strongest opponent for Ichigo in SS) and saving Rukia thus ending the Arc. I believe Hueco Mundo will have a similar pattern since I'm betting on Kubo Tite's love for parallels haha I mean so far the battles in HM are;

    RW: Vs Yammy (50:50), Vs Grimmjow (75:25)
    HM: Vs Dordonii (Won), Vs Ulquiorra (Lost), Vs Gimmjow (50:50 so far)...

    I'm predicting he'll win the battle against Grimmjow, fight another Espada (maybe Noitora seeing how he resembles Zaraki), gain a new technique (evolved Bankai merged with Arrancar's ultimate or something) after fighting his inner hollow for the last time and then face off with Ulquiorra before the final Arc (the SS vs HM War in Winter) starts and the final 'bad guy' shows up. So yep, I agree totally that Ichigo's Bankai is incomplete and am speculating he'll discover a new technique just before squaring off with Ulquiorra.

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    interesting but i have my doubts

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    The inner hollow thing is the only one that I think is a certainty since he said to Ichigo when he got owned in the inner world "if you really intend to control my power, don't die before the next time I choose reappear", therefore new power should be coming in the future

    Spoiler!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Narhbos View Post
    I kinda like the idea of his Bankai evolving further. As lots of you had mentioned, even Byakuya states that Ichigo's Bankai is incomplete. And if we follow through his basic/main battle pattern thus far in the manga;

    RW: Vs Renji (50:50), Vs Byakuya (Lost)
    SS: Vs Ikkaku (Won), Vs Renji (Won), Vs Zaraki ("Won"), Vs Byakuya ("Won")

    You see that he attained Bankai (which is the ultimate for a Shinigami) and completed his battle with Zangetsu 'Oji-san' just before fighting Byakuya (strongest opponent for Ichigo in SS) and saving Rukia thus ending the Arc. I believe Hueco Mundo will have a similar pattern since I'm betting on Kubo Tite's love for parallels haha I mean so far the battles in HM are;

    RW: Vs Yammy (50:50), Vs Grimmjow (75:25)
    HM: Vs Dordonii (Won), Vs Ulquiorra (Lost), Vs Gimmjow (50:50 so far)...

    I'm predicting he'll win the battle against Grimmjow, fight another Espada (maybe Noitora seeing how he resembles Zaraki), gain a new technique (evolved Bankai merged with Arrancar's ultimate or something) after fighting his inner hollow for the last time and then face off with Ulquiorra before the final Arc (the SS vs HM War in Winter) starts and the final 'bad guy' shows up. So yep, I agree totally that Ichigo's Bankai is incomplete and am speculating he'll discover a new technique just before squaring off with Ulquiorra.
    Makes sense to me and I wouldn't be suprised if this happens

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfaulkner1 View Post
    its not a nazi symbol is a manji, and its the kanji for ban meaning full you should know that
    um, I should?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cr4zy View Post
    um, I should?
    if you read bleach and are a fan you should
    All that is Bleach is good

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    wait, i think he only had 2 forms. He was just being a badass when he grew the wings and halo cause he could. but i love your idea about the bankai evolving. just have to say that after fighting grimmjow, he might have to be rescued. after all, even with the mask, the sexta espada is fighting him equally. rukia has been out of the picture for a looooooooooong time, chad was pwned, and the Renji+urryu combo is scewed unless they get out of that room they are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nfaulkner1 View Post
    if you read bleach and are a fan you should
    Frankly, anybody who has even a remote awareness of Japanese/Asian culture and a decent grounding in world history should have come across this at one point. The Manji is also known as the Buddhist Cross, though it's not commonly used by Buddhists outside of Asia, generally because ignorant people associate it with the admittedly similar swastika of the German National Socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breaker Red View Post
    wait, i think he only had 2 forms. He was just being a badass when he grew the wings and halo cause he could. but i love your idea about the bankai evolving. just have to say that after fighting grimmjow, he might have to be rescued. after all, even with the mask, the sexta espada is fighting him equally. rukia has been out of the picture for a looooooooooong time, chad was pwned, and the Renji+urryu combo is scewed unless they get out of that room they are in.

    i agree the only reason ichigo still got that mask on is because he in hueco mundo. i dont think rukia dead . i think vizards are gonna come rescue their injured comrade

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