Naruto 600 Discussion / 601 Predictions

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I'm new member here. I've been reading some of posts here saying that Obito being Tobi doesn't fit the timeline. Can someone please explain it to me why the timeline does not match?

[Rlinfamous]

I'm new member here. I've been reading some of posts here saying that Obito being Tobi doesn't fit the timeline. Can someone please explain it to me why the timeline does not match?

Some have used Kakashi's age in the present story and at the time of Obito's "death", and figured out that the Kyuubi attack happened roughly 1 year after Obito was supposedly crushed. That basically gives Obito 1 year to acquire all the skills needed to control the Kyuubi and fight relatively evenly with Minato.

Also, Madara knows Obito; while Edo Madara has stated that the "Brat" Nagato had managed to grow, Nagato was in his late teens/20's by Obito's time. If Madara lived long enough to meet/influence Obito, surely he realized Nagato had made progress with his Rinnegan?

Not only that, Obito stated that he was the one who "Gave" Nagato the Rinnegan... it would be easy to lump this in with the rest of his "I Am Madara" lies, but Obito stuck to this claim even in front of Kabuto/Zetsu, both of whom are fully aware that Obito is not Madara. So it's a bit confusing, because Obito was very young when Nagato awakened his Rinnegan.

Kisame recognized the Long-Haired Tobi from the Fourth Mizukage's era and the Short-Haired Tobi (Obito) as the same person. Some have argued that Kisame was under Genjutsu, but otherwise it really doesn't make much sense... Obito would have looked much too young back then to pass as Madara.

[paulbee]

Im think that there are 2 possibilities here .. either we as fans got so immersed in the whole Narutoverse that we were neglecting all the signs that Naruto manga is just plain & simple for kids, ooor Kishi at some point decided to cut short on his manga and just finnish it asap.

I personally think its the later, I mean Kishi devoted like 13 years of his life to Naruto manga ! Maybe he just wants to move on, or cash in on all the money the series accumulated and enjoy his life for a change. In my opinion, Kishi had a perfect plan on how to make all the pieces of the puzzle fit together and deliver a fantastic manga experience. I suspect that he might even planned to have a second time-skip sometimes after the Kage Summit .. who knows.

So year and years of reading a fun and inspiring Manga and it all boils down to a 13yr old's tragic, tormented mind giving birth to a Whacko idea/notion of peace by hypnotizing the whole world. Somehow, that sorta kinda takes all the fun and anticipation out of it. And all the talk of Tobi claiming to be Uchiha Madara..that was all insane delusion from the said former 13 yr old.

The question is, how is Kishimoto going to make this all work?

Is Madara going to backstab Tobi, was he just a tool being led along by Madara, just the same way that Tobi led Nagato along? Madara doesn't seem the Peace loving type, he just wants to rule forever. If Madara does backstab Tobi, then the Manga is headed toward a Sasuke plus Naruto combo fight vs Uchiha Madara.

[Harbinger_Of_Kaos]

And just when you think they have a chance Madara shows up.

[Yoru]

I must say I like this dark master/pupil theme as it's opposed to the Jiraya/naruto one.

Jiraya taught naruto about sufference and the evil ninja world and he asked him to do something about it and achieve peace, the true one.
Madara instead, taught Obito (the naruto of the uchiha clan) and led him in the exact opposite way, although their aim was still the same. I mean Naruto and Obito's.

[Zero]

So year and years of reading a fun and inspiring Manga and it all boils down to a 13yr old's tragic, tormented mind giving birth to a Whacko idea/notion of peace by hypnotizing the whole world. Somehow, that sorta kinda takes all the fun and anticipation out of it. And all the talk of Tobi claiming to be Uchiha Madara..that was all insane delusion from the said former 13 yr old.

The question is, how is Kishimoto going to make this all work?

Is Madara going to backstab Tobi, was he just a tool being led along by Madara, just the same way that Tobi led Nagato along? Madara doesn't seem the Peace loving type, he just wants to rule forever. If Madara does backstab Tobi, then the Manga is headed toward a Sasuke plus Naruto combo fight vs Uchiha Madara.

I'm sorry, but 99,99999999% of stories boil to that, you know ? Really, any wicked idea is possible as long you have under your control the ultimate being, or you are it itself... in this case the Jyubi . Most stories boil to that, reasons slightly change, but otherwise, it's the same plot .

[Aga bomBa]

So year and years of reading a fun and inspiring Manga and it all boils down to a 13yr old's tragic, tormented mind giving birth to a Whacko idea/notion of peace by hypnotizing the whole world. Somehow, that sorta kinda takes all the fun and anticipation out of it. And all the talk of Tobi claiming to be Uchiha Madara..that was all insane delusion from the said former 13 yr old.

The question is, how is Kishimoto going to make this all work?

Is Madara going to backstab Tobi, was he just a tool being led along by Madara, just the same way that Tobi led Nagato along? Madara doesn't seem the Peace loving type, he just wants to rule forever. If Madara does backstab Tobi, then the Manga is headed toward a Sasuke plus Naruto combo fight vs Uchiha Madara.

@PaulBee.. I'm on the same line with you from the beginning. I thought of giving myself some time and think of this outcome to be " justice ", but I simple can't do that and all the missing holes proves otherwise.

- Obito's " motive " is so weak, compared to the others we came too encounter in Naruto Manga as a bad guy or Villain.

I've said it before: the way how Kisame thought that he saw the same person, when Tobi released his mask.. could be a genjutsu that the REAL Madara put on him.

At that moment, Madara came out of the shadows, behind Mizukage.. and the first thing Kisame layed his eyes on was Madara's ( long haired Tobi ) Sharingan. Long-haired Tobi/Madara could've put Kisame instantly under genjutsu and making him see, Obito's face.. Long-haired/Madara knew that he would die eventually and by making him see Obito's face as his own, he knew that Kisame would do everything what short- haired tobi tells him to do later in the future.

- Itachi Uchiha put Deidara instantly under a genjutsu just by making eye-contact when they were recruiting him for Akatsuki. And the ironic scene was that Kisame was the person that told Deidara, that the moment he looked into Itachi's sharingan, he was already under Itachi's illusion.

Yes, it could be two tobi's.. but Itachi Uchiha is from another level for being fooled.. on top of that; Nagato even said that Itachi knew more of Akatsuki then him. What Itachi could've known, was that the person who he saw ( long-haired Tobi ) was indeed the REAL MADARA and learned or was told by Madara that he had an assistent that would take over ( Obito ).
Obito ( short-haired Tobi ) learned all the secrets of Itachí by the real Madara and knew that Itachi was from another level.. a person he couldn't manipulate, foolish of him even trying to get rid of him ( Itachi was way above Obito's level when he didn't had the Rinnegan in his eye.. only with Kamui he wouldn't be a match against Itachi ), so he had to be patiently waiting for him to DIE.

- Itachi didn't want to risk his life by fighting Tobi, because he had plans for Sasuke ( get rid of Orochimaru out of his body and making Sasuke awaken MS ) and of course; making Sasuke a hero in the eyes of Konoha.


I've been referring from back in the days, that the end of this manga will have huge similarities to the beginning of this manga; Zabuza Arc. Obito's end could exactly be what Haku faced, but diffirently. In this scenario; Obito will die EXACTLY like a " Tool ", a " Tool " that the Madara Uchiha created for this occasion. Obito already feels like " No- One " and it would be a fitting end of he dies by the hands of Madara Uchiha.

- a punishment that HE wasn't the person who ressurected Madara back from the death, but an outsider, OR knowing Madara's " sick personality ", he ( like I said ) just brainwashed-used Obito as a tool for executing his Master Plan this far and now: kills him on the stage.

A perfect ending for Obito, Kakashi will be feeling more pain/angry and goes towards Madara.. Madara kicks his ass, Guy will join the party and he will also be dealed with; so NOW, it's room for Naruto to shine. After this, the Rookie 9 will all be there and BAM! Sasuke makes him appearances with Orochimaru ( or without him ), and the final showndown will begin.

*** Think about it: will there be a time-out?? Naruto's been fighting ALL DAY, Sasuke is gonna hear the true story, Madara is seeing the Jinchirikuu who has his favourite pet " KYUUBI ", Juubi is being revived.. OR Tobi will teleport Madara and himself away ( dont know why.. Madara is so close in wiping the entire landscape with all the shinobi's together ), so yea; let us hope for something HUGE!

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Some have used Kakashi's age in the present story and at the time of Obito's "death", and figured out that the Kyuubi attack happened roughly 1 year after Obito was supposedly crushed. That basically gives Obito 1 year to acquire all the skills needed to control the Kyuubi and fight relatively evenly with Minato.

This is still possible. An appropriate and very very very hard training can make someone grows super strong in short amount of time. It will be really really hard but it doesn't change the fact that it is possible.

Also, Madara knows Obito; while Edo Madara has stated that the "Brat" Nagato had managed to grow, Nagato was in his late teens/20's by Obito's time. If Madara lived long enough to meet/influence Obito, surely he realized Nagato had made progress with his Rinnegan?

This is also still possible. If Madara lived long enough to meet Obito, maybe Madara was so busy/focused doing another thing so he never met Nagato to know that Nagato had made progress.

Not only that, Obito stated that he was the one who "Gave" Nagato the Rinnegan... it would be easy to lump this in with the rest of his "I Am Madara" lies, but Obito stuck to this claim even in front of Kabuto/Zetsu, both of whom are fully aware that Obito is not Madara. So it's a bit confusing, because Obito was very young when Nagato awakened his Rinnegan.

Hm...I don't have argument for this one for now. I am very bad with timeline. What would be the approximate age of Obito when Nagato became Jiraiya's student and what was the age of Madara when Obito gave sharingan to kakashi?

Kisame recognized the Long-Haired Tobi from the Fourth Mizukage's era and the Short-Haired Tobi (Obito) as the same person. Some have argued that Kisame was under Genjutsu, but otherwise it really doesn't make much sense... Obito would have looked much too young back then to pass as Madara.

Ah, I remember about this in manga but only vaguely. Do you still remember in what chapter this story being told? Thanks

edit: I've found the chapter where kisame met tobi (when tobi controlling mizukage). Again, what would be the approximate age of obito when this event took place?

[merciless]

the manga is at 600 chapters, to make everything fit 100% would be impossible as he probably changed alot of stuff on the way, if you forget about the timeline, it's still awesome the masked man is obito

[micoreth]

I think that Obito had always been in touch with Madara and he was in this "take over the world" plot long before he was crushed under the boulders. It doesn't seem that far-fetched to think that he may have already awoken his mangekyo sharingan when he was under the boulders and that maybe he was not crushed at all but he was passing through the rocks just like he is doing right now. Giving his eye to Kakashi may be also part of his plan since he was gonna implement rinnegan to his eye socket. We already know that he pays a lot of attention to stay anonymous wearing his mask and disregarding the questions about his identity, I don't see a better move than playing dead for staying anonymous.

These are just my toughts though, anything is possible.