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    Quote Originally Posted by Afro Thunda View Post
    This is true. That and the fact that if Tobi were Obito, we'd have to believe that he leveled his Sharingan, the same one he had just acquired moments before losing to rocks, all the way up to one capable of controlling the Kyuubi in a matter of (supposedly) months, no more than a year. AND that in that same span of time, he acquired the ability to summon said Kyuubi.

    So in about a year, Obito completely outgrows Kakashi, goes from killed by rocks by regular jack-off ninjas to tangling with the 4th Hokage and giving him problems... That's just too much for me to try and swallow for the Tobi = Obito theory to work.
    Nah, it looks more than a year. It depends when Minato became a Hokage, at exactly what point of war was Kakashi Gaiden placed (in the middle, beginning, end ?), etc.

    If we assume that the Gaiden took place in the middle of the war, that Minato became Hokage after the war (reasonable, since he probably acquired his fame thanks to the war), that Minato and Kushina "celebrated" the night that Minato became Hokage and Naruto was born 10 months later, then it's most likely more than a year...

    It was more than a year and Obito already proved to be more gifted in controlling his Sharingan than Sasuke (still Sasuke supposedly possessed the strongest eyes since Madara and later did in fact obtain EMS... at least Kyubi considered his spiritual powers comparable with Madara's and Tobi/Oro mentioned that his eyes are going to be stronger than Itachi's), simply by immediately activating it in a proper (2 megetamas in each eye) version, indifference to Sasuke.

    What's more, it's like this in Narutoverse: weak people (sick etc.) --> normal people --> ninjas --> gifted ninjas --> genius ninjas --> Uchiha --> Uchiha Geniuses. Even if he wasn't as good as an average Uchiha (which already surpasses genius ninja like Oro, simply thanks to the things that Sharingan with their blood allows), after awakening his Sharingan it isn't impossible, heck it isn't even anything special when you look at Uchiha Geniuses like Shisui or Itachi.

    Shisui looked quite young to me, probably younger than Kakashi (which would mean we has younger than Obito as well), but it's hard to compare his age, a few days before the Massacre with Kakashi's, since we haven't seen Kakashi at that time, that age. There is even an interesting fanart that shows the age difference between Obito, Shisui and Itachi:
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    Shisui's age is still vague, yet it is quite possible that he was younger than Obito and if that is true, then think what he did at the same war in which Oibto was participating to some point. Shisui, the kid standing beside Obito (in that fanart ), at the 3rd Ninja War, became to be known as Shisui of the Body Flicker, the strongest Genjutsu user of the Uchiha. At that time, it's quite possible he already had his MS, considering that when Danzou used Shisui's MS, the Mist Byakugan user noticed the same kind of chakra that Shisuis used and supposedly the difference between Chakras when using a normal Sharingan and MS is quite big (too big for the Byakugan user to not notice).

    The MS, is really a special tool, not to mention the ones belonging to Shisui and Obito, those two pair of eyes seem to have the most special abilities in their respective categories of one-eyed jutsu. Seeing how famous, how much feared and how powerful was Shisui at that age with MS, is it really so hard to imagine Obito a few years later, after obtaining and training his MS, being as formidable as well ? Not to mention that it is confirmed that Tobi is boosted with Hashirama Cells and it is already proven just how much of an influence they have on MS.



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    The timeline is obvious because we know Kakashi became a Jounin at 13 and the Kyuubi attacked at Naruto's birth.

    Simple math Kakashi is 30 so Kakashi gaiden happened 17 years ago.

    Naruto is about 16 so the Kyuubi attack was 16 years ago.



    So obviously after Kakashi Gaiden Minato became the 4th Hokage for about 1 year then died during the Kyuubi attack.


    Obito would have had to done some epic training and body growth in the course of 1 year.


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    Quote Originally Posted by POW View Post
    The timeline is obvious because we know Kakashi became a Jounin at 13 and the Kyuubi attacked at Naruto's birth.

    Simple math Kakashi is 30 so Kakashi gaiden happened 17 years ago.

    Naruto is about 16 so the Kyuubi attack was 16 years ago.



    So obviously after Kakashi Gaiden Minato became the 4th Hokage for about 1 year then died during the Kyuubi attack.


    Obito would have had to done some epic training and body growth in the course of 1 year.
    My exact thinking when I made my comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POW View Post
    The timeline is obvious because we know Kakashi became a Jounin at 13 and the Kyuubi attacked at Naruto's birth.

    Simple math Kakashi is 30 so Kakashi gaiden happened 17 years ago.

    Naruto is about 16 so the Kyuubi attack was 16 years ago.



    So obviously after Kakashi Gaiden Minato became the 4th Hokage for about 1 year then died during the Kyuubi attack.


    Obito would have had to done some epic training and body growth in the course of 1 year.
    Age (according to Narutowiki):

    Kakashi
    Part I: 26-27
    Part II: 29-30

    Naruto
    Part I: 12-13
    Part II: 15-16

    This would imply that the Battle at Kannabi Bridge was at the end of war, or even ended the war itself, since it took 10 months for Naruto to be born.

    Rin dying at time of "peace" has become even more probable.

    It doesn't change the fact that at age 13 or less, Shisui became the strongest Genjutsu user of Uchiha and probably of Konoha as well, and that Itachi has become an ANBU captain at age 13 and slew his clan at that time as well.

    Uchiha at age 13 with MS, are boss. Even though Obito might not have been a Genius Uchiha like them, he still was an Uchiha and if he is Tobi, then he posses Hashirama powers as well. Reaching their power (he still wasn't able to beat Minato) at age 14, with MS and HC, isn't impossible, especially if got info about Minato's jutsu prior to his fight (like from Zetsu or something along those lines).



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