Naruto 597 Spoiler Discussion

[Yoru]

AND. In the next chapter tobi will say something about kakashi's unfulfilled promises and stuff. If tobi were izuna, how could he possibly know about kakashi's promises to an old friend? Only a person who knows kakashi well can know those things. And if he were izuna and he could know these informations about kakashi, why would he bother collecting them? what does he care about kakashi, his promises and habits?

In my opinion, Tobi knows kakashi pretty well.

[Zero Phoenix]

In my opinion, Tobi knows kakashi pretty well.

We've known that since the last chapter. :| It's pretty common knowledge at this point. The issue with the new chapter of Naruto is the same issue the work has had since this arc started: we spend chapters reviewing what we all already know.

Giving Itachi another pop and him going on and on about the Uchiha massacre was something that was covered in detail some 100 chapters ago. Naruto entering and ending every battle with the same friendship/hokage speeches since his fight with Zabuza. And now we have Tobi giving us a shred of dialogue which only confirms what we've known even before he showed his Sharingan. Since 2008 or 2009 people have been saying that Tobi is Obito. And in the chapter before the one we just read the spoilers for Tobi mentioned how Kakashi never changed. It's obvious to anyone that Tobi knew Kakashi and was, more than likely Obito. This chapter is another half-hearted attempt by Kishimoto to drag out an already lackluster plot and is a continuous disservice to longtime fans.

If we're reading this manga on a weekly basis there shouldn't be a need to consistently, pathologically repeat dialogue and scenarios. (Remember when we read the legend of the Kinkaku brothers and learned they had the Kyuubi's chakra. Then less than 50 chapters later the Kyuubi repeated that same legend word for word. Kishimoto obviously isn't trying at this point imo.) In chapter 600 the big reveal is going to be Tobi being unmasked and we'll see it's Obito as some fans have known for years. Which goes to show very little in the way paid to creativity towards the plot or respect to the fans.

[almara]

lol there are so many ppl it can be, even konohamaru's dad or the elder son.

[Zero Phoenix]

And another point, the part of Tobi's face beneath the mask that he showed to Sasuke. This was of a much older man than Obito would have been.

That's irrelevant. I'm not flaming you merely pointing out that this issue is not important because it's not an issue really. Tobi was experimented on and it's possible his "wrinkles" may be an indicator of the stress the experiments had on his body. Also, it's common for the creepy, bad guys, to have some manner of "artistic" deformity if they have a secret identity and then for that to just magically disappear when they've been revealed. It's also possible that "leading" Akatsuki is a stressful job. Or that the space time jutsu places a tremendous strain on the body and we've seen that Tobi uses this technique quite often. We've seen that many of the jutsu unique to the Uchiha (Amaterasu, Izanagi, Susano'o) place a strain on the body. Could be the same with this space time jutsu. Or it's entirely possible that Kishimoto was going to write Tobi as Izuna Uchiha and then, realizing that wouldn't make any sense, decided to retcon anything that might have led to that possibility.

And really, the wrinkles don't make him look THAT much older.



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[Zero]

lol there are so many ppl it can be, even konohamaru's dad or the elder son.

Yep and the fact that Zetsu can clone himself (even without GM) and stalk every important shinobi or an important shinobi to be like the White Fang's Son (which is a mayor thing, seeing as every older character is like "OMG, he is the White Fang's son :O !!!").

The power itself isn't a problem and it is even confirmed that it is Obito's Sharingan in the chapter to come.


@Pheonix, actually I think that Kishi did a great job with Tobi, because each time we begin to be sure about Tobi's identity, there is a plot-twist which make us go back to the beginning with only one name crossed out from the list on who he can be ;P. His orange swirling mask is in truth a representation of what Kishi is doing to fans with his identity, simply many swirls that lead to a black hole .



Hmmmmmm, you know what, I realized something. Tobi ca...oh wait I forgot about the miracle Hashirama cells... oh well, what I wanted to say is that if Tobi's justsu is an MS and he is Obito, then he would go blind ages ago from using the jutsu so often, but as you can see above, I initially forgot about Hashirama's cells that even make Shisui's ability active way, way faster, from 10 year to 10 hour delay...

[Zero Phoenix]

@Pheonix, actually I think that Kishi did a great job with Tobi, because each time we begin to be sure about Tobi's identity, there is a plot-twist which make us go back to the beginning with only one name crossed out from the list on who he can be ;P. His orange swirling mask is in truth a representation of what Kishi is doing to fans with his identity, simply many swirls around black hole .

Not really. :| Nothing Kishimoto has done has deterred most readers from believing Tobi is anyone other than Obito. In fact I'm among that percentage that knew Tobi was Obito since 2008, only changing my mind when a theory popped up that it could be Sasuke from the future. Even that made more since then it being Izuna or anyone else. If Kishimoto was trying to send us on a wild goose chase to keep things interesting he failed miserably. Tobi having similar powers to Kakashi, Tobi having that spiked hair-do that we've never seen anyone but Obito sport, the mask, the list goes on. My argument might be different if the location of the hole in the mask was different but that alone was enough to never lift scrutiny off Obito. It's true that Kishimoto placed up signs saying it could be this person, this person or this person, but those signs never did anything to disprove that Tobi was Obito. It's like this: Kishimoto placed three or four possible candidates, but all he did was name them. He didn't include anything in the way of "evidence" to support the possibility of someone other than Obito being Tobi. None of the candidates even had Tobi's hair for goodness sakes.

[Yoru]

I dunno why you guys hate the possibility for Tobi being Obito. Maybe kishi didn't want hide the fact they were the same person. it's just the fans minds that make all the twists.
Kishi has done a good job confusing us . He's shown us the "wrinkled face", made us believe Obito died (cuz it really looked like he was smashed for good), made all of us believe he was madara, since he knew so many things about his past and all. I bet more than half naruto fans were convinced of tobi being madara until kishi showed us he wasn't. It means kishi made a good job tricking us. He deceived us giving us info that seemed to negate the possibility of him being Obito.
I, myself, was once a huge and convinced Obito=Tobi supporter, but kiushi made me doubt it seriously, and in the end i believed he was Madara.
Kishi is now simply trolling all of these fans that negated Tobi=Obito. There is evidence that points to the fact he isn't, but in the end he will be and half naruto fandom will be trolled and like wtf I can't wait

[Saiges]

Lame spoiler..if it's real anyway, considering the time and amount of info it contains.

Tobi =/= Obito............................................. .................................................. ...

Those are wrinkles (of old age) and not scars/whatever beneath his eyes. Obito d-i-e-d.
Just out of memory: Kakashi was about to say to the 4th that obito died, when yondaime replied "i know". Since yondaime is a caring sensei im sure he confirmed his death first?

The only possible character behind Tobi should be Kagami - assuming he is an Uchiha in the first place.

I dunno why you guys hate the possibility for Tobi being Obito

Because that possibility is so obvious even the tiniest brain can come up with it. Kishi is supposed to be above that

[Yoru]

Yondaime said "I know, Rin told me everything"
And the right side of the body could have been messed on by crazy experiments so it looks like it looks. But we have yet to see the left side of the body which in my opinion is a lot different than the right side.
But let's just wait and see, guys! Let's stop arguing on the Tobi Obito theories. Neither of our sides has enough knowledge to support their theories.

And if Minato really found Obito's dead body, he would have brought it back, so obito can have a proper burial. Instead they made a monument for him and the rest of the hearoes of Kannabi bridge. All they have found were Obito's googles.

[Zero Phoenix]

I dunno why you guys hate the possibility for Tobi being Obito.

None of us are saying that we hate the "fact" that Tobi is Obito. What I am saying, and follow me, is that Kishimoto's big reveals, that are supposed to happen every 100 chapters, is really just something most (80%) fans have known for about four years now. Some of you might have been thrown and I'm not knocking you for it, but I don't know anyone who hasn't known for years that Tobi was Obito. Kishimoto's big reveal coming up is nothing more than proof that he doesn't know what the hell he's doing at this point or if he does, he doesn't feel the need to put his best foot forward for the fanbase. THAT's my issue friend.

Maybe kishi didn't want hide the fact they were the same person. it's just the fans minds that make all the twists.

I'm about to show you how you contradict yourself.

Kishi has done a good job confusing us . He's shown us the "wrinkled face", made us believe Obito died (cuz it really looked like he was smashed for good), made all of us believe he was madara, since he knew so many things about his past and all. I bet more than half naruto fans were convinced of tobi being madara until kishi showed us he wasn't. It means kishi made a good job tricking us. He deceived us giving us info that seemed to negate the possibility of him being Obito.

Right there. You just said maybe Kishimoto didn't want to hide the fact that Tobi and Obito were the same person and then here you write a paragraph pointing out how Kishimoto tried to hide the fact that Tobi and Obitio were the same person. Do you not see a continuum shift?

I, myself, was once a huge and convinced Obito=Tobi supporter, but kiushi made me doubt it seriously, and in the end i believed he was Madara

Please tell me you didn't. Tobi didn't act, fight, or look anything like Madara. You couldn't have truly thought it was him.

Kishi is now simply trolling all of these fans that negated Tobi=Obito. There is evidence that points to the fact he isn't, but in the end he will be and half naruto fandom will be trolled and like wtf I can't wait

There isn't any evidence that points to Tobi not being Obito. And again, for the the third attempt I'm pointing out that this is the problem. For 200+ chapters most fans have known that Tobi was Obito. Most fans knew Tobi was Obito even before he revealed having a Sharingan. If this is Kishimoto's big reveal he trolled all of us. He trolled us on a level that it's insulting. Waiting four years to tell the fanbase something they already knew and then playing it off as a big reveal is assinine. In chapter 700 Kishimoto is going to reveal that the Earth revolves around the sun. In chapter 800 Kishimoto is going to reveal that George Washington was Americas fist president. In chapter 900 Kishimoto is going to reveal the boiling point of water. And let me tell you my friend, you don't want to miss the EPIC, EPIC chapter 1000 where Kishimoto reveals 2 + 2 = 4. Kishimoto is blatantly insulting us. That's what I'm trying to point out to you.