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    Bee also said during the Sasuke fight that it takes ALOT of chakra to summon the 8-tails, so maybe if Bee resorts to human form he cant change back to soon after until his chakra has refilled. So he is staying in that form.
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    Good points about bee. What bee can accomplish in human form is already handled more than enough with gai, kakashi, and naruto. Besides, just a few short moments prior; there took place a bijuu bash that demanded instances of tailed beast mode as a counterweight for the good guys. 9 tails took the spotlight anyway but you're right.. bee better serves as backup, at least in sheer size and mass, in case the mazou advances. Good call. Also, if not for tailed beast mode bee, we would not have been treated to kakashi's rendetion of "flight of the bumblebee+ju " (get it?) Flying with the raikiri kunai, did you notice that it was a deliberate play on "flying thundergod" ? Kishi has allusion powers

    Two products of the 4th hokage up against tobi, i realllly want closer cooperation between kakashi and naruto to gain the upperhand and see if tobi learned his lesson from minato.
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    Hopefully next chapter they wise up and attack the Mazou. Also, I'd like to see Naruto lend chakra to Kakashi like Tsunade lends chakra to Oonoki. And integrating Sage Mode into the offensive could be interesting; as others have predicted, perhaps the extended reach of Natural Energy could catch Tobi by surprise. So many possibilities; simple Taijutsu won't work, and neither will Kamui.

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    it really feels like they dumbed ppl down in the sense that they arent fighting the way that they are capable of coz with the speed that naruto has he should be able to get in a hit or 2 when he sees tobi being solid, similar to how minato did it, in this case when tobi kicked the kunai, naruto could easily have maxed speed himself to tobi and kicked his ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almara View Post
    it really feels like they dumbed ppl down in the sense that they arent fighting the way that they are capable of coz with the speed that naruto has he should be able to get in a hit or 2 when he sees tobi being solid, similar to how minato did it, in this case when tobi kicked the kunai, naruto could easily have maxed speed himself to tobi and kicked his ass.
    It feels like the only times Naruto will ever be able to use his speed are when he jumps in dramatically... it has never been used functionally in battle, and he's still pretty much on par with everyone he's gone hand-to-hand with. It's very frustrating; his speed is hyped up to Minato;s level, and then not allowed to be a factor in any actual combat. If he could stop all those Bijuudama, he should be demolishing Tobi.

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    Naruto having minato level speed is an ironic illustration of naruto's weakness, his lack of finesse. Each use of the kyubi's power was preceded by either chakra disruption (jaraya noticed the issue if the seal preventing naruto from using chakra normally) or a natural state if unfamiliarity as with the kyubi arm training from bee. As for the speed, naruto hasn't yet proven he can handle the landing without either hurting himself or causing some other unforeseen disadvantage. All it takes is one dash at tobi going light speed yet miss or pass through him and get his leg caught in the landscape for just a fraction of a second. Naruto has godly speed, IM not confident in his use of or level of mastery over it.

    We will need to see several panels going through his thought process and justification for using a risky high speed maneuver. It just isn't at the point where kishi can have naruto acting at that speed naturally without the story taking pause to point it out with its risks.

    Another issue is how will the good guys deal with izanagi should tobi rely upon it and what will its cost be to tobi if cast through rinnegan? (Not confusing creation jutsu). IM surprised most of all by their complete failure to draw the same conclusion as konan and approach the fight as she did. Kakashi should have gotten at least that far with what he knows and naruto should have too simply because he shifts to big attacks after several volleys if clones. Don't really understand the taijutsu approach other than THEY ARE LOW ON CHAKRA
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    One last tidbit, though, is i find it odd that 9 tails is not going ape sh*t every minute IR at least saying something every chapter regarding tobi. I mean, 9 tails is well aware of and right scared of madara's chakra and tobi should appear same way right? Why is 9 tails not pointing out inconsistent matters or even recalling his experiences for the sake of battle. There just HAS to be SOMETHING he can say, anything. It was such an alluded to issue before :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by knife eater View Post
    Naruto having minato level speed is an ironic illustration of naruto's weakness, his lack of finesse. Each use of the kyubi's power was preceded by either chakra disruption (jaraya noticed the issue if the seal preventing naruto from using chakra normally) or a natural state if unfamiliarity as with the kyubi arm training from bee. As for the speed, naruto hasn't yet proven he can handle the landing without either hurting himself or causing some other unforeseen disadvantage. All it takes is one dash at tobi going light speed yet miss or pass through him and get his leg caught in the landscape for just a fraction of a second. Naruto has godly speed, IM not confident in his use of or level of mastery over it.

    We will need to see several panels going through his thought process and justification for using a risky high speed maneuver. It just isn't at the point where kishi can have naruto acting at that speed naturally without the story taking pause to point it out with its risks.

    Another issue is how will the good guys deal with izanagi should tobi rely upon it and what will its cost be to tobi if cast through rinnegan? (Not confusing creation jutsu). IM surprised most of all by their complete failure to draw the same conclusion as konan and approach the fight as she did. Kakashi should have gotten at least that far with what he knows and naruto should have too simply because he shifts to big attacks after several volleys if clones. Don't really understand the taijutsu approach other than THEY ARE LOW ON CHAKRA
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    I have to agree. Fast movement isn't the same as efficient movement. IIRC, it was a similar situation in Lee vs Kim, Lee was faster than Kim, but Kim just moved more efficiently without doing any unnecessary movement. It's the same with this situation, you can't compare Tobi's decades of experience in moving the way he does, with Naruto's like a week or less in the light speed movement, right ? Not to mention that Tobi has a Sharingan and it looks like his ability works at the speed of mind, simply his body doesn't have to react as long as his eye and mind does.

    Kamui is the answer, I'm pretty sure that Kakashi will use it again, simply because to stop Kamui, Tobi has to become tangible again. At that moment Naruto will probably break his mask.

    I don't really see any need for Tobi to use Izanagi, beside the one above, if the move that destroys his mask, could seriously damage his body/kill him.



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    I think Kakashi, Gai and Naruto are pussyfooting around with taijutsu to probe Tobi's tactics for possible weak points. They don't have the benefit of extensive intel so I think they're building up for something big and spectacular (at least hoping for such). And about Naruto's apparent lack of speediness, lets not forget he's fighting an advanced sharingan user but also he's limited by his own reaction times. Like everyone else I wanna see Naruto do something brilliant with shadow clones in this battle.

    And that hit that he landed on Tobi's mask, is the it just a hairline crack or did the mask repair itself?

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    Do any of you also agree then that kakashi, with his encountering tobi on multiple occasions before, with his sharingan and supplimentd insight, do you not agree that he should have reached the same or similar conclusion as konan? All she had to do was observe and count
    Kakashi observed the same stuff already so why are they telling themselves no big moves when konan went straight to BIG MOVE and defeated the ability that they are still currently trying to cope with. Konan forced tobi into izanagi, that in itself kinda makes chumps out of kakashi, gai, and naruto..

    Kakashi needs to sustain kamui by at least the maximum duration of a tobi phase to connect it. Its much easier to allow naruto and the two remaining beasts sustain large area attacks long enough to force materialization in the area or out of area and into a predicted counter.

    I just hope that with the kunai and flying debris; kakashi finally saw past tobi's timing.
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