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    I wonder if the Zetsu spores left on Kabuto were transferred to Orochimaru when he absorbed his energy.


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    why couldnt Oro just force his self out of Anko's CS like he did with Saskue? I'm pretty sure her own personal chakra reserve are depleted enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon Spade View Post
    why couldnt Oro just force his self out of Anko's CS like he did with Saskue? I'm pretty sure her own personal chakra reserve are depleted enough.
    I think it's because the Oro trapped inside Sasuke was the Real/Main/Actual Oro, (much as the Original is in relation to shadow clones). Sasuke was continually using his own Chakra to suppress Oro and keep him bottled up. As a result, Oro was able to burst out when Sasuke ran dangerously low on chakra due to the fight with Itachi.

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    I don't see a reason why Anko's own chakra reserves are depleted much, anyway... she's just passed out/maybe poisoned, it's not as if Sasuke never slept while Oro was sealed in him. Sasuke even ran out of chakra against Deidara to the point where he couldn't maintain his Sharingan, and took days to recover. And as for Anko, it was Oro's chakra within her that Kabuto needed, not her own, so her chakra has been relatively untouched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    I don't see a reason why Anko's own chakra reserves are depleted much, anyway... she's just passed out/maybe poisoned, it's not as if Sasuke never slept while Oro was sealed in him. Sasuke even ran out of chakra against Deidara to the point where he couldn't maintain his Sharingan, and took days to recover. And as for Anko, it was Oro's chakra within her that Kabuto needed, not her own, so her chakra has been relatively untouched.
    Can't say Kishi is totally consistent in the low Chakra department, but here is the page where Zetsu explains it all:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    I don't see a reason why Anko's own chakra reserves are depleted much, anyway... she's just passed out/maybe poisoned, it's not as if Sasuke never slept while Oro was sealed in him. Sasuke even ran out of chakra against Deidara to the point where he couldn't maintain his Sharingan, and took days to recover. And as for Anko, it was Oro's chakra within her that Kabuto needed, not her own, so her chakra has been relatively untouched.
    Sorry bro, but the idea that Sasuke ran out of chakra was an assumption both on Deidara's and your part, along with most manga readers I've come across. Also, Deidara was wrong in assuming Sasuke was out of chakra the first time(http://www.mangapanda.com/93-366-3/n...apter-361.html "Looks like you're the one that's low on chakra. You don't even have any left to free yourself. Do ya!?"), and probably wrong the second time as well(http://www.mangapanda.com/93-367-6/n...apter-362.html "All he had left was another Raikiri."). Then there's the third and final time Deidara assumed wrong about Sasuke's chakra reserve (At last you are out of chakra.), which we know isn't true since Sasuke later summoned Manda.

    So the question must be asked, why did Sasuke seem so exhausted? I think the answer is quite simple. It wasn't due to chakra exhaustion but self-afflicted damage to his body (http://www.mangapanda.com/93-366-14/...apter-361.html "Yup. It took a hell of a toll on me though."), referring to Sasuke running a Chidori through his own body.

    And what does Sasuke do right after he ran a Raiton technique to himself, which took a hell of a toll on his body? He performs another Raiton technique (http://www.mangapanda.com/93-367-4/n...apter-362.html). And it's only after Sasuke exposes his body yet to another Raiton technique, which wouldn't be a deal I believe if it wasn't for what he just put his body through by running a chidori through himself, that his body finally collapses.

    So it's my "theory," which I do believe I'm backing up with credible evidence, that Sasuke's recovery was due to the damage he inflicted to himself, and not due to chakra exhaustion. Because as we should all know, Sasuke has had a very above average chakra pool since before he was even a genin.

    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-7-9/naruto/chapter-7.html "What!? A genin shouldn't have enough chakra to perform that jutsu."

    And yet Sasuke was able to perform this same jutsu, like I said, before he even became a genin (http://www.mangapanda.com/93-228-13/...apter-223.html)

    Now of course, if you compare Sasuke's chakra reserve to that of "Naruto's, it's relatively embarrassing on Sasuke's part; but objectively speaking, Sasuke has always had a clearly above-average chakra reserve which would only grow with age.

    The theory that Sasuke ran out of chakra so early in his fight with Deidara, just doesn't make sense to me, never did. And I doubt Kishi would do such a sloppy mistake, or worse, purposely do it due to some legendary "favoritism" he is accused of having for Sasuke.

    Edit: Also, it seems clear that the deactivating of Sasuke's sharingan was to make a point to Deidara, not due to low chakra (read http://www.mangapanda.com/93-367-6/n...apter-362.html until http://www.mangapanda.com/93-367-10/...apter-362.html)
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    ^ What I remember(without checking back) from that fight is, Sasuke being exhausted in both physical & chakra reserves. Manda was an a$$ pull AKA favoritism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiges View Post
    ^ What I remember(without checking back) from that fight is, Sasuke being exhausted in both physical & chakra reserves. Manda was an a$$ pull AKA favoritism.

    Deidara should have won that fight, just like Raikage's punch should have killed him while wasting that arm.
    Then you should go back and check/reread the chapters, because you're wrong.

    There was no definite evidence for Sasuke's lack of chakra, on the contrary, Deidara kept getting his observations of Sasuke's chakra reserve wrong, time and time again. A definite evidence would be Sasuke himself, either thinking or stating, how he has no chakra left, which never happened even once.
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    inot to intrude on you guys discussion, but I was also under the impression that Saskue was almost out of chakra during his fight with Diedara. SIMS, you make a great arguement against why that wasnt the case. However, even in Naruto it seems like main characters can only do certain jutsu's a limited amount of times during one fight. Saskue was doing high level jutsu after high level jutsu during that fight. Not to mention he used his CS for a lenghty amount during that fight, which i thought would suck your reserves dryer faster while using. When he stopped using his sharingan, I was under the impression that he was trying to conserve the little amount of chakra he had left. Which turned out to be smart because he used that chakra to summon Manda at the last second. His fight with Deidara was both lengthy and tough. I was under the impression that Deidara pushed Saskue to his limit ( his limit at that time). Saying he wasnt almost out of chakra cheepens his win in my mind.
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    SIMS makes good points, deidara incorrectly assumed more than once sasuke's remaining amount of chakra. Now, there has to be a way to guesstimate an opponents amount of chakra if so many shinobi try and do it in battles and also, what good was his eyepiece with its supposed safeguards against sharingan users?

    As for summoning techniques, do they necessarily require large amounts of chakra? I understand the principle trigger fir summoning is blood calling on the particular contract. Ofc it requires chakra but is it ever stated that high level summons need more chakra than say, summoning a tadpole? Summoning techniques seem to have more variable mechanics than standard jutsu.

    Regardless, after escaping deidara's blast by summoning manda, sasuke was out of commission for a time for more than just chakra exhaustion.
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