KYUUBI PWNS CS (i'm not saying becuz i like it) its jus fact people
YES,this might be a good idea
NO,i prefer things go as they are
KYUUBI PWNS CS (i'm not saying becuz i like it) its jus fact people
like you(and many others) i like jiraya,and it would be sad to see him die
but all my reasoning was based on ONE possible outcome of his fight with pein...there could be at least 10 to 1000 outcomes(if you consider small details)
so when i said naruto has to find something and make it his first priority,i never wished that that thing would be seeking revenge for his master...
now we know who his parents are,but the events of the night kyuubi went on a konoha rampage are still a mystery...this could be a nice matter for naruto to investigate(for example)
I don't think that Naruto will investigate anything,I mean up until now,did he ask himself WHO his parrents are? I mean..he's chasing after his first bond and that's just crap, kid..PRIORITIZE! Sasuke was right when he said he should be training instead of chasing him. He's way too weak.
Akatsuki will try to catch him and what's he doing? SASUKEEEE
To come back to the main topic
You're right,the outcome of this fight is still unknown, I'm excited about the next chapter.
AND I'm asking myself why Jiraiya didn't use "Gamakuchi Shibari" when he were in the pipes, he could have catched them easily and turn at least 3 bodies into food for the frogs.
Kishi definitely doesn't have good plans for Jiraiya =(
(I won't say that the genjutsu wasn't good, don't get me wrong).
I like the point you expressed on your first post Mr. Topic Creator, nice thinking.
I didn't read any of the other posts yet so I could tell my thoughts as pure as possible about the subject, but I will do so after this post.
Anyways, Jiraiya's death would really make the plot stop making the name Naruto a synonym of retarded, however, don't you think that even if Jiraiya survives, the plot would go the same way anyways? I think Naruto himself would be pretty pissed both ways, and would achieve the desired outcome regardless of Jiraiya's final fate.
Of course this doesn't discard anything, there are more chances of him dying than not, neither is 100%, but it's really way more inclined to him dying after the fight (not returning to Konoha).
But more than Jiraiya's death subject, I want to make more emphasis on this part that still is on-topic.
What I am pretty sure that regardless of anything, Pein is so mother friggin dead. Lol. I don't think that Jiraiya is losing this fight at the end. But then why do I say that Jiraiya is going to be probably killed anyways, if I am so certain he is going to beat Pein to ashes? There are many possibilities but as far as combinations go:
Pein dies, Jiraiya Dies.
Pein dies, Jiraiya survives and safely escapes.
Pein dies, Jiraiya survives but is killed by Tobi who popped out of nowhere.
Pein dies, the manga stops being distributed.
You get my point lol, see the pattern. If Jiraiya does indeed die at the end of this arc, I would really want to see Tobi around it, as it would reveal more on the Tobi = Obito subject (maybe), which I am more than interested about ^^.
And well, actually, maybe, just maybe, Pein won't die, but in that case, it would be "Jiraiya is winning the fight, and not dealing the finishing blow", Ero-Sennin is still winning anyways. But I really doubt it.
Now to read the rest of the replies, this will take a while.
Last edited by Rainierman; 11-30-2007 at 05:26 AM.
it s true that what i said can be achieved without jiraya's death(which is why i agree with you)...but the reason i choose his death was ONLY to mark a GREAT event in the naruto plot and make use of a tragedy to trigger a BRAND NEW vision of the plot and a BIG trend in naruto's personnality...in other words,transform a dramatic event in an outcome that will make fans forget the-somehow-frustrating plot
truth to be told,i don't want to see jiraya dying...he took place in a lot of fan's hearts
I am hoping Sasuke ends up killing someone from Kohona, and this will turn Naruto into hating him and end this chasing non sense (well chasing for a different reason I guess.) But seeing how Sasuke is refusing to kill anyone but his brother, this might be a bit far fetched.
Personally I am tired of the naruto bushins, they had that since day one of the manga and it has been used over and over and over again.
The main theme, like all manga is for Naurto learn an impossible jutsu, let it be resengan, big boss toad, multi bushins and wind shuriken.. this will continue to happen. That is just how the story is build, Kishi is known for being a big fan of dragonball. Besides, it is too late to make Naruto "smart" he is the one hit wonder character.
I think people underistemate Naruto improvements alot. I'm not saying he is a pwn everything but looking at it Naruto showed a great deal of maturity against the other Akatsuki, coming up with a tactic to land the stryke he needs. Sure he's been doing this always but that's one of the things that people tend to oversee in Naruto:
- Zabuza fight;
- In the chuuni exam second part in the end fight with the bunshins
- Neiji fight
All of them show a pretty good plan created by Naruto that can level even with Shikamaru strategies. I ended up going the wrong path here but anyways Naruto could single-handed fight with one Akatsuki (yes I know that all the fight before might lowered and everything but still if he truly felt like he was going to lose he would've escaped and don't tell me it was impossible for him to do so) and bring him down, a feat that can only be praised again and again.
I'll love Jiraya's death for it'll mean bigger Naruto due to his need to explain the Kyuubi/Madara's void. Pain will eventually go after Naruto (actually it should be soon now after Tobi words) and Naruto will attack in rage, have his ass kicked completely, not be killed but disappear (Pain is ditracted and Naruto falls down a cliff and is taken by a river or something) and then he'll be isolated and will think on his actions.
He would not emediately return to Konoha but instead try to recover the missing link of Kyuubi that will be hinted to him by Naruto's Key. Meanwhile Sasuke finaly discovers what truly were the intentions of his brother (though with Tobi preventing Konoha to arrive might mean unavoidable deathmatch) and will be hunt down for a new Naruto with information puproses.
Sasuke is shown (when Itachi is presented the first time and fights Kakashi) doing some discover in the Uchiha reunion place whilst reading with the sharingan, which may say that with the sharingan you can also unlock more truth with better eyes (also hinted by Itachi this last chapter) and everyone said it was fishy Sasuke not recognising Madara name so he may know the truth behind the truth afterall (this may be why Itachi let Sasuke live, cuz he couldn't get the final knowledge).
Also will Naruto learn FTGT? I think it would be awesome if he did...
i liked the idea of naruto driven away by the river and think things through again...
just wanted to clarify that the side of naruto that i mentioned was mostly the emotional,characterial side.his personality evolved in a messy way and made things of high valor,like sacrifice for a freind,look like an obssession and a loss of dignity and pride
about his physical abilities,naruto always impressed me,since the first ep with kagebunshin...but let's look at things straight
-he learned kagebunshin+rasengan and used them so many times that they became so cheap(expect for summoning)
-he went on a journee of 2n1/2 years=came nack with a bigger rasengan
-trained using kakashi's super method=ANOTHER FRIKKIN rasengan
there are times when i,as a fan,ignore some small detailes,but this is really annoying.
excuse me but i don't see the improvement in this,exept unlocking a nature chakra manipulation
either way,thanks for you post....feel free to discuss my answer