That's some serious wall you put up.
That's some serious wall you put up.
I also only realised that someone else posted when i saw that there was a second page XD
However, onto the discussions part of the thread:
I think that Hoshino has many a future plot twist in mind, whether it be Lenalee's odd behaviour in Episode 51 of the anime or Rhode's smile at Allen saying "I wish i had relatives" (Or something like that).
Either way you look at it how the story progresses, it seems to me that Hoshino is going to have a twist ending.
For instance, the ending might be Allen and Lenalee on the Ark becoming the next progenitors of humanity, albeit BS since that never actually happened during the 19th century, but, if it's fiction, then bump dat shiz up to 11. Make the most amount of BS possible.
Or, the ending could be Allen dead with Lenalee and Lavi ending up together.
It might possibly be an ending where Allen and Rhode get together and so do Lenalee and Lavi.
Really, who knows? You can only predict so much, but, if Mirai Nikki's plot twist involving Yuno-if-you-watched-the-whole-thing-you-would-understand-what-i-mean you have to think outside the box of the situation but not the series.
As an example, say, it turns out that Innocence is actually made from human sacrifices. There, that would complicate good and evil for a minute there don't you think?
In fact, it ties into a personal theory of mine that the reason Lenalee's Innocence acted as it did and so did Allen's is because the Innocence is made from the original Exorcists, IE the Innocence absorbed them or at least their consciosness.
The way i see it, there might be more than pure evil and pure good at work here, and i think the series is long over due for some moral confliction and smudging of what is right and what is wrong.
After all, the thing is that having the lines between good and evil blurred is good, but, do it too early in the story and things might get needlessly complicated, and that simply isn't good. However, do it too late in the story and the readers will have gotten bored with the self righteous-ness of the main protagonist. Assuming that he isn't some a-hole like Light Yagami, since Death Note whilst i feel that the concept that what Light Yagami was doing was wrong was introduced a little bit too quickly it was still good none the less.
Edit: An idea i was thinking of was that if Allen were to "win" against Neah, and cast him out of his body, then maybe it might be at an inopportune time.
For instance, if say Allen wins against Neah, and puts him in the very deepest pits of his mind, and then got caught by the Black Order afterwards, Neah would then of course choose the nearest availible host to escape, such as how the battle with Lenalee is something to look forward to since it was foreshadowed at in the past might be more interesting with Lenalee possibly becoming the host to Neah. She might even welcome Neah into her body, after all, she loves Allen, and the only way to save him -or so she thinks- might be to rid of The 14th once and for all. Via making him use a different host body instead.
This could cause some pandemonium in the Black Order, not to mention Allen, so this might cause a Mexican stand-off of a sorts that'll force Allen to kick the crap out of Lenalee until The 14th comes back to Allen.
Of course, with any story, comes the b*tches-i-pulled-this-out-my-ass-but-didn't-because-it-actually-makes-sense-as-to-why-this-would-happen plot twist. The plot twist in Mirai Nikki that involved Yuno for instance, not going to say what the plot twist is but let's just say that it makes you think about plot backwards after you see it.
Edit2: I believe that there may be someone stalking Allen.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but i think that, based upon these images that the same person is in both:
I am basing this on next to no evidence what-so-ever or any real reason as to why someone would be stalking him.
Last edited by DR34DNOISE; 05-27-2012 at 08:01 AM.
Impressive collection of theories! If there was still more than a few days before the next chapter I'd try to reply to every single one of them but I'm too lazy. So I'll just try my best. (Some great theories you have in there by the way. The innocence being made of human sacrifices would be the perfect plot twist to put in some moral issues. We'd start wondering if maybe the Noah are in fact the good guys.)
1. The fourteenth:
I just went back and re-read some parts, and it seems to me that Master Zhu wasn't talking to Link when he said he'd turned 'him' into the fourteenth. Plus, we already know, Allen is the one at risk of becoming 14th noah at present. And when I think about how long Zhu's been alive, it wouldn't be surpising if he was actually talking about a PREVIOUS fourteenth. He seemed to be in a memory trance after all... It's past obvious now, but it's entirely possible that he was talking about turning Neah into the fourteenth all those years ago, or maybe transferring the fourteenth into Allen's body (first one being much more likely in my opinion).
Personally, I think they are scared of him. Although they have shown loyalty, they've also shown fear of acting out. The twins tend to behave 'more than usual'. Sheryl doesn't seem to have told the Earl about his little hostage. Maybe if the Earl was fully functioning, sheryl wouldn't be acting that way. They're always worrying about 'how mad the Earl's gonna be' when they mess up. And let's not forget how easy it was for the Earl to subdue the crazed Tykki-pon and take him home. The other noah are like mere children compared to him. But Neah, he seems more on the level of the Earl.
So yes, in summary, I agree that it's possible the human host (bitter as they may be) actually do have a say in what they do or don't.
2.Neah's battle plan:
But now, from what we've seen so far, he's back, but he's matured. He didn't just jump into battle. He's waiting for something. And maybe that is exactly what you're suggesting, maybe the exorcists can help open up that opportunity. There's one major thing to do with this point, but It'll be the last thing I talk about.
3.What are the Exorcists anyway:
4.Most important point evar!!
The fourteenth already has minions!! People carrying on his will! Cross and Levellie are two definite members. Levellie has a lot of say in what happens around the Black order. See where I'm going with this? The fourteenth has been planning, and he's been planning for a long while now. That's even more evidence that he's not the same irrational person who'd blindly attack the earl and get killed in the process. And I don't know why, but I feel like both the fourteenth and the Earl together know some things that no one else does. But of course, only time will tell.
Sidenote: That girl who tells the future, Mei-Ling, – maybe that's a more metaphorical view she saw? Maybe it didn't happen because she didn't end up joining them? Or maybe she's sort of on 'hold', and will join them in the future, at a time where she's needed for something or other. Either way, her vision has passed. My clue: the uniforms have changed XD.
I see the start of an addiction! Oh boy, this is gonna be a good one.
Bleach says that he actually had planned from the moment of Ichigo's birth that they would fight and choosing who he would fight against so he was at just the right amount of power and people call THAT a brilliant plot, i thought that Hoshino might end making a similar case of BS for the sake of a good plot. But i also think it's BS.
"Of course the Noah are in control of their Noah side"? What is this i don't even.
Just where are you getting that the Noah said they control their Inner Noah? I'm only going off of what i read in the Manga and what i saw in the Anime, so if you have something to add that i wasn't paying attention to, i'm all ears. But, last time i checked i didn't see or hear at anytime the Noah saying "We/I control our Inner Noah" at all. So i'm going off the impression that "Everything they do is influenced by their Inner Noah" as my baseline for analysing what they do. Um, no, that is not what i meant at all, i meant as in is Tykki really Tykki, or is Tykki actually just his Inner Noah taking over his personality completely? (IE Tykki White as in human Tykki, or Black Tykki as in Noah Tykki: Which one is truly in control?)
An intelligent predator is far more dangerous than one of sheer strength.
A metaphorical view? I fail to see what it could be a metaphor for. The image is of all of the Main characters dead around her, whilst she wears an Exorcist uniform, but i don't see how this could be a metaphor and not a statement of fact. A door has a door knob, that's an assertion, but that's also a statement of fact, so it can't be a metaphor. I draw on Shakespear for an example "All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances;" -William Shakespear.
That was an example of a metaphor, plain and simple, but i don't know how their corpses could symbolise anything besides they're dead. (Actually, this is an inkling that i just had: What if it metaphorically shows character growth? IE the old Lenalee who cries alot and acts strong and defends her friends at all costs "Dies" and instead Lenalee is a stone-cold b*tch without any determination as a character. Hell of a character growth though, hell of a character growth). CONT*
Phew, this is something that i wanted desperately to type ever since i began my response.
Now, it's time, for me, to unvail, what i've been thinking about since the last time i posted.
Drum roll please.....
I've been thinking about the 14th's influence on Allen's personality. What i think is that it was Neah's influence that made Allen act nice, admittedly though, the 14th's influence has gotten stronger as of late i still think that Allen's "True" personality is him being grumpy and moody.
Basically, Kanda 0.5.
I think this because Allen, as a child, was acting like a douche to Mana. I have not met or heard of a single abused person not have any form of scars from being abused. Even the most controlled person still has some form of mental or physical problem stemming from said abuse. This is just speculation though, i might be completely and utterly wrong.
OH MAH GAWD. I did not realise that my previous post was such a freakin' wall of text. Somebody get a wallpaper of this.
Edit: I was thinking about whether or not Allen becoming the 14th was an degeneration, or an evolution.
Think of it this way, the Noah know something that others don't, that much is obvious since the scene that explains the background of the Skin Bolic has both of them crying because of how they see the world for what it truly is. Maybe, maybe Allen's personality is already exactly that of the "Fourteenth" before he became a Noah, so, when Allen's learns what the world really is, or really looks like, he will then act under the 14th wishes because they both agree on what they want to do.
Last edited by DR34DNOISE; 06-02-2012 at 09:31 AM.
Omagawwwsshhhh the new issue is at the dooooorr!! Am I the only one so excited I'm going to fall over?! I can't even think straight anymore -_-
I see the start of an addiction! Oh boy, this is gonna be a good one.
Edit: This begs the question: Does this mean that this thread will be renamed D.Gray-Man 214 Discussion / 215 Predictions? Or will the author said thread make a new thread specifically just for the next Issue after this one?
Last edited by DR34DNOISE; 06-04-2012 at 10:02 AM.