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    "Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique" a once in a lifetime technique?

    Here is one thing I never quite understood about the last jutsu Nagato was to activate before he died:

    I got suspicious when Tobi became angry with Nagato because he used his Rinne Tensei on Konoha and not for him (whoever "him" might be) ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-458-17/naruto/chapter-453.html[\URL]). Actually, there is little we know about that technique. We know that it can be used in order to revive the dead ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-454-1/naruto/chapter-449.html[\URL]). We also know that it takes a huge amount of chakra (yet I never actually got that part since he used it after he had attacked Konoha, summoned tons of creatures, fought Naruto, levelled Konoha by using a very strong Shinra Tensei and activated Chibaku Tensei before he activated this jutsu).

    As Neji once said: "Such a convenient jutsu (to revive the dead without any drawbacks) can't possibly exist" ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-284-3/naruto/chapter-279.html[\URL]). And if it did, it would leavy many questions about the Rinne Tensei unanswered, for instance: Why didn't Nagato brink Yahiko back, or at least Deidara, the "two zombies" (Hidan and Kakuzu), or Sasori? There must be a reason to this, and it is hardly convincing that it is because it takes a lot of chakra. Many jutsus do.

    And last but not least: If it had been possible to use Rinne Tensei as often as you need it, why not make the Edo-Tensei-Nagato reuse it in order to revive - let's say - Orochimaru? You don't even need DNA-samples.

    That's why I am convinced it is not possible to use this jutsu more than once. It is a once-in-a-lifetime-technique, and he used it for his fellow child of prophecy?


    Your thoughts?

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    Makes sense. Let's wait and see if this is verified by the manga.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakritze View Post
    Here is one thing I never quite understood about the last jutsu Nagato was to activate before he died:

    I got suspicious when Tobi became angry with Nagato because he used his Rinne Tensei on Konoha and not for him (whoever "him" might be) ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-458-17/naruto/chapter-453.html[\URL]). Actually, there is little we know about that technique. We know that it can be used in order to revive the dead ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-454-1/naruto/chapter-449.html[\URL]). We also know that it takes a huge amount of chakra (yet I never actually got that part since he used it after he had attacked Konoha, summoned tons of creatures, fought Naruto, levelled Konoha by using a very strong Shinra Tensei and activated Chibaku Tensei before he activated this jutsu).

    As Neji once said: "Such a convenient jutsu (to revive the dead without any drawbacks) can't possibly exist" ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-284-3/naruto/chapter-279.html[\URL]). And if it did, it would leavy many questions about the Rinne Tensei unanswered, for instance: Why didn't Nagato brink Yahiko back, or at least Deidara, the "two zombies" (Hidan and Kakuzu), or Sasori? There must be a reason to this, and it is hardly convincing that it is because it takes a lot of chakra. Many jutsus do.

    And last but not least: If it had been possible to use Rinne Tensei as often as you need it, why not make the Edo-Tensei-Nagato reuse it in order to revive - let's say - Orochimaru? You don't even need DNA-samples.

    That's why I am convinced it is not possible to use this jutsu more than once. It is a once-in-a-lifetime-technique, and he used it for his fellow child of prophecy?


    Your thoughts?
    Well, first of all, the reason he can use it even tho it takes up allot of chakra and he uses it after the attack on Konoha is that you can transform your life force intro chakra and even the other way around, chakra and life is more than just connected in Naruto, it's close to the same thing.

    When it comes to Yahiko he most likely exceeded the time limit for resurrecting him, because he used the Gedo Mazo and then I'm willing to bet he was out cold for at least a couple of days. And we have no idea what the time limit on that thing is.


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    I think the reason is because it drains the user of their life force meaning it shortens your lifespan every time you use use it. Its only because Nagato is an Uzamaki with strong life force energies can he use the jutsu effectively but yes it has iots drawbacks.


    Also I think the amount of chakra to revive someone is proportional to how long they have been dead. Reviving someone like Madara or Yahiko might take ones entire life force because they have been dead for so long.


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    If it has a limit, then how would Nagato be able to use it to revive Madara? Who died years after? That doesn't make sense. He should have been able to revive Yahiko as well.

    As of now, it's about certain that it's a once in a lifetime jutsu. Unless Madara actually died about the same time as Yahiko. We did see Edo Madara knew Nagato and called him a brat. That's certainly before Yahiko's death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Bones View Post
    If it has a limit, then how would Nagato be able to use it to revive Madara? Who died years after? That doesn't make sense. He should have been able to revive Yahiko as well.

    As of now, it's about certain that it's a once in a lifetime jutsu. Unless Madara actually died about the same time as Yahiko. We did see Edo Madara knew Nagato and called him a brat. That's certainly before Yahiko's death.
    He wasn't going to use it for Uchiha Madara. It was Tobi that mentioned having Nagato use it on him if he were to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakritze View Post
    Here is one thing I never quite understood about the last jutsu Nagato was to activate before he died:

    I got suspicious when Tobi became angry with Nagato because he used his Rinne Tensei on Konoha and not for him (whoever "him" might be) ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-458-17/naruto/chapter-453.html[\URL]). Actually, there is little we know about that technique. We know that it can be used in order to revive the dead ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-454-1/naruto/chapter-449.html[\URL]). We also know that it takes a huge amount of chakra (yet I never actually got that part since he used it after he had attacked Konoha, summoned tons of creatures, fought Naruto, levelled Konoha by using a very strong Shinra Tensei and activated Chibaku Tensei before he activated this jutsu).

    As Neji once said: "Such a convenient jutsu (to revive the dead without any drawbacks) can't possibly exist" ([URL]http://www.mangareader.net/93-284-3/naruto/chapter-279.html[\URL]). And if it did, it would leavy many questions about the Rinne Tensei unanswered, for instance: Why didn't Nagato brink Yahiko back, or at least Deidara, the "two zombies" (Hidan and Kakuzu), or Sasori? There must be a reason to this, and it is hardly convincing that it is because it takes a lot of chakra. Many jutsus do.

    And last but not least: If it had been possible to use Rinne Tensei as often as you need it, why not make the Edo-Tensei-Nagato reuse it in order to revive - let's say - Orochimaru? You don't even need DNA-samples.

    That's why I am convinced it is not possible to use this jutsu more than once. It is a once-in-a-lifetime-technique, and he used it for his fellow child of prophecy?


    Your thoughts?
    In order for this technique to work, the person you are trying to revive has to have their original body mostly intact. It simply returns the soul of an individual who recently died back to his body.

    - I dont think Nagato was aware he could use this technique when Yahiko died and I'm sure when he realized he could the time limit had passed.

    - Deidara blew himself up, aka has no body for his soul to come back to.

    - Hidan is only a head, you cant bring back a soul to just a head.

    - Kakuzu could probably have been brought back to life, but the time limit had probably been crossed by the time that Nagato found out. Or maybe because Konoha had possession of Kakuzus body, it wasnt wise to revive him.

    -Sasori was a broken puppet, you cant bring a soul into a puppet.

    - Orochimaru isnt dead, hes alive in an eternal genjutsu so Nagatos jutsu cannot be used on him.

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    I find it interesting the Kabuto intended to use Nagato to kill Killerbee and Naruto temporarily and then revive them. So killing and reviving people by removing and then returning their souls seems to be something that can be done without too much difficulty. I have to assume that it is more complicated than that when it comes to truly resurrecting someone who has been killed by other means (as Tobi mentioned, he seemed quite irritated that Nagato wasted the power on someone other than himself).

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    As POW mentioned perhaps it is a case of their being various levels of revival and various levels require a more substantial amount of life force.

    Yet I agree with the basic argument that there must be some limitations on Nagato's ability to resurrect people or he more than likely would have just resurrected Yahiko and anyone else that was of importance to him. Having a body might be necessary but I kind of doubt that is the only limiting factor. Tobi has made a lot of criptic remarks about the technique and the very idea of using the technique for himself seems odd. I am guessing that Tobi (who has constantly refered to himself as Madara) was infact refering to bringing Madara back to life. If it were as simple as Kabuto suggested for Killerbee and Naruto to be resurrected though, I have to wonder why he hadn't done it already. We still don't know how Madara was killed, or what Tobi really intends to do, so I am guessing we will learn more about the technique when that information comes into play.

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    maybe because Konoha had possession of Kakuzus body, it wasnt wise to revive him.
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    Life Force?

    Hey guys,

    I am happy you agree with me that there is more to the technique than we might realise. But one question: Why do you think this technique drains the life force of the user? Nobody mentioned that, and even Konan was rather worried about his chakra-levels, but not about his life force.

    And why should she? He is an Uzumaki, as Kabuchimaro just confirmed. Life Force shouldn't be an issue.

    So?

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