Jiraiya would have made itachi look like a chunin
Jiraiya would have made itachi look like a chunin
Itachi/Sharingan > Guy/movement (he has the body/speed to avoid/counter Guy). Also..Susano'o > 8 gates
Power =/= achievement, just because Minato did more in life doesn't mean he's auto better than Itachi.
Orochimaru and Jiraiya are pretty much equal. Itachi owned Oro at a very young age....
Before I forget, Jiraiya fought 3 paths. Godrealm wasn't even there. As soon as the other 3 appeared it turned into a stomp.
and so on...Only thing Jiraiya has is body/chakra superior to Itachi's.
p.s from all the Edo tensei summoned, Kabuto said Itachi was on a whole different level. and he really is...
you seem to forget that itachi only fought 1 nagato and jiraiya fought 3 to 6 and then add the fact that jiraiya had no knowledge of nagato's power where as itachi had full knowledge of nagato's powers, and no matter how you twist it around, fight 3 is a hell of a lot harder than fighting 1 who was being controlled by kabuto, not to mention the fact that there were 2 other ppl there to divert the kabuto controlled nagato, so nagato wasnt even fighting at his full capacity. also with the 8 gates gai would be strong and fast enough to bypass both the sharingan(after all the raikage could bypass sasuke's sharingan by increasing his speed and the 8 gates match that speed easily) and susanoo quite easily. also jiraiya wasnt equal to orochimaru, he was quite superior, ofc ppl will say he was equal, but jiraiya NEVER fought oro with the intent to kill or when he wasnt poisoned. not saying itachi wasnt a badass, coz he is, jiraiya in my mind was a bigger one even if it was slightly, and minato was even bigger than that.
The only thing Naruto tells him is that Nagato got him with Edo Tensei before and that if he gets you with it you are dead. Itachi is the one who figures out how to counter it, and he figures it out in about 1 second.
Itachi was the only one who even noticed Madara's presence.
Itachi being special has been backed up in the Manga countless times. This shouldn't come as new information it is just common sense for anyone who has been following the manga. As the Instructor at the Ninja academy mentions he can't recall the last time they had such a genius at the academy, Orochimaru admits Itachi is stronger than him, Madara admits that Itachi never ceases to amaze him, Itachi is one of the only people Kisame respects, Danzo even respected Itachi, Kabuto states that Itachi is just too damn good, Killerbee says that Itachi isn't just another strong ninja. The list goes on and on. Everyone who has dealt with Itachi either fears him or respects his power immensely and it isn't just what we have heard, we have seen the evidence of his power as clear as day. Like I said, we have never seen Itachi truly challenged in combat, he beats every opponent he fights with apparent ease. Like him or hate him Itachi's power and skill is undeniably near the top. Like I have said many times, it's not rocket science, the evidence should really speak for itself at this point.
Since you seem so intent on ignoring it, look here, Naruto says clearly that Nagato is using the techniques on a much higher level and much faster than before.
You are proving my point for me almara. Itachi was able to keep up with the speed of Naruto and Killerbee (Naruto is faster than the Raikage, and Killerbee is stronger). So obviously Itachi doesn't simply rely of his sharingan for power, he is incredibly skilled even without it.
As I suspected the dialogue translated in chapter 144 is why of sturture wise but has the same meaning in the end.
A person from another forum translated it properly and it reads like this. Chapter 144, page 8.
Kisame - You could somehow win, but I couldn't stand up to such an opponent for more than a couple of minutes... It's on a completely different level.
Itachi - Ah... Either (we) both (he says both/two, meaning him and Kisame) would die, or it would be a draw... The result wouldn't change even if we increased our numbers.
Kisame - It was good that we found him at the ramen shop... And he has one of the Legendary Sannin as a lucky charm. That guy (Jiraiya) might be a fair match for the strongest Uchiha from Konoha and the Mist's strongest swordsman.
Itachi - Hmm, even so... It's said that every strong man has a weakness...
Here is the thread its work reading actually, its goes through numerous things in the manga that got mistrasnlated which became legends in forums. Like whats written on the toad srcoll what the other names are etc..
worth a look.
Last edited by psukkar; 03-06-2012 at 11:31 AM.
The Master's Legacy
If a theory can't explain the mysteries of the past, it has little chance to explain the mysteries of the present and future.
But I still say that equating Jiraiya to Orochimaru is a big mistake.
They have different styles and different weaknesses.
Jiraiya = Hedgehog
Orochimaru = Cobra
Itachi = Bird of Prey (Raven/Hawk/Secretary Bird)
Hedge Hog vs Cobra = Hedgehog win
Cobra vs Bird of Prey = Bird of Prey win
Hedgehog vs Bird of Prey = ?
I am an artist, and my medium is death. I'm about to create my masterpiece :s
Fan of the Rasengan Doujutsu theory, even though it's dead. Although, he does have the special Uzumaki clan blood.
that is a simple and yet fitting way of describing it thor.
BTW. A thread like that (from your link) was needed since long ago, it really clears up many things (if it's done properly that is ;P). Perhaps we should ask him/her if we can make a copy of it on this forum, to spread the truth even more .
That link is EPIC! had to say it.. and Itachi never told anyone of Akatsuki the truth he knows better then that..
The thing is: Hashirama could use Mokotun for not getting burned by Amatarasu, check. Hashirama could use Mokuton for fighting against Susanoo, check.
BUT WHAT AGAINST A GENJUTSU of Itachi's calibur?? Was Madara's T-Yomi not from the same level of Itachi's ??
... You're Dead 2 Me Now ...
Yep I knew ppl would find it intresting.
Lucky not all my hard work ages wasnt totally wasted. The kisame part stays the same but the itachi part needs to be redone. Things have changed as itachi never said he wouldnt beable to take on jiraiya or could. I guess my final conclusion of itachi was right in the end that itachi did understand what he would be getting into by picking a fight with jiraiya.
I always knew the Anime translation back then was far better then manga at the time. good thing i stuck to my guns.
Either case I will pm that guy at narutobase to post here too, i found it to be a fantastic thread.
Last edited by psukkar; 03-08-2012 at 04:24 AM.