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    The truth about Tobi

    im going to keep it brief, so feel free to add to this theory

    tobi is nobody. He is the creation of Madara using the rinnegan, just as the tailed beasts and moon were creations by the sot6p
    his purpose was to return madara to life, whilst embodying his ideals and setting the plans of war into motions. Within his lifetime madara could not complete his task of becoming the next sage, and so using rinnegan izanagi he created tobi.

    I wasnt sure if the other thread matched to this, seeing that was more of a split theory and sharingan izanagi than this

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    For sure Tobi is a creation of Madara.

    We have seen plenty of evidence that he is at least in part a Zetsu. I would say that Tobi is a Zetsu Clone that Mimicked/Copied Madara's Chakra, AND Was infused with Madara's Chakra and Mental energy.


    Madara was about to die, and If you are a Megalomaniac like Madara, who can you trust to revive you from death other than yourself? Madara died but his will, his mind, and his chakra continued to live through Tobi. This is the reason the other Zetsu Clones all obey Tobi.

    The interesting question/Irony now is whether Madara's personality, which recognized no one above himself, will allow Tobi to submit to the original Madara?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbee View Post
    For sure Tobi is a creation of Madara.

    We have seen plenty of evidence that he is at least in part a Zetsu. I would say that Tobi is a Zetsu Clone that Mimicked/Copied Madara's Chakra, AND Was infused with Madara's Chakra and Mental energy.


    Madara was about to die, and If you are a Megalomaniac like Madara, who can you trust to revive you from death other than yourself? Madara died but his will, his mind, and his chakra continued to live through Tobi. This is the reason the other Zetsu Clones all obey Tobi.

    The interesting question/Irony now is whether Madara's personality, which recognized no one above himself, will allow Tobi to submit to the original Madara?
    This begining to sound like Artiftcal intellengence the movie when the kid realises hes just clone. I like this theory as madara still would be calling the shots at the end of the day. And I belive this manga needs a hardcore villain otherwise its all for nothing.
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    Tobi's true identity...

    Could it be Uchiha Shisui.

    Now as per the manga he is currently dead however...

    If Tobi turned out to be a random ninja who had never appeared before then that would be a major fail for the story, but we actually know alot about Shisui.

    1) His sharingan powers were said to be at least equal to that of Itachi's and when it came to genjutsu he was clearly superior.

    2) Itachi said that Shisui was a "good guy" but it is possible that he got his genjutsu claws into Itachi as well.

    3) Shisui was the ninja in the Uchiha clan that was willing to do any mission for the clan for eg. taking control of the 4th Mizukage and causing a bloody civil war in the hidden mist village.

    This types of missions could also have made him completly cynical and Danzo-like but only caring about himself and not any village.

    4) Shisui's right sharigan eye and arm were taken by Danzo, is it a coincidence that Tobi has only one sharingan eye and a detachable arm (see fight versus Fu and Torune).

    5) Shisui's genjutsu kotoamatsukami can control a person without them realizing it, having such a megalomaniacal power means that shisui is a good candidate for ultimate villain.He is probably a refererence to the elder son of the SoT6P who belived that power is all.

    6) One problem is that Shisui gave his other eye to Itachi before "vanishing all traces of himself", I belive that this was his plan all along (as shown after the battle with Danzo he has lot of sharingans at his disposal). He played on Itachis's feelings just the way the top brass of Konoha did so that Itachi wouldn't look to deeply into his "vanishing" thinking him to be a loyal konoha ninja.

    I feel that he faked his 'death' was basically to give him the freedom to roam around as Tobi.

    I could be wrong but I feel that the evidence points towards Shisui as no other Uchiha has been given enough story time to make them a credible Tobi

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    I must disagree with this Theory because You have provided no actual Evidence that Shisui is Tobi, and you contradicted your own points:

    For example Point (4) contradicted by point (6)

    4...." Shisui's right sharigan eye and arm were taken by Danzo, is it a coincidence that Tobi has only one sharingan eye and a detachable arm (see fight versus Fu and Torune). "

    6...." One problem is that Shisui gave his other eye to Itachi before "vanishing all traces of himself"

    Question: Why bother Using Tobi's one eye as evidence that he is Shisui, if you're going to show that Shisui ended up eyeless, and not one eyed.

    Besides, Tobi has and always had TWO eyes, not one.
    Spoiler!


    The Whole eye thing didn't illustrate anything, or serve as evidence for anything.

    Again, If Tobi is Shisui, why would he give up the most powerful Genjutsu eyes in all Uchiha, only to replace them with inferior eyes from an eye Bank?

    Again, Saying That All traces of Shisui Vanished is False. For one thing, The Uchiha elders knew he drowned, therefore they had a drowned body. And again, Danzo retrieved his eye and his arm. You can't get an arm from someone who vanished. If Kabuto couldn't find Shisui's body, it is because Danzo's Root had it last, and probably disposed of the remains.


    Also, Tobi has 2 detachable arms, not one. Both his arms are detachable.

    Left arm detaches here:
    Spoiler!


    Right arm Detaches here:

    Spoiler!


    In order to have a good theory on Tobi, you have to take his detachable parts into consideration, and demonstrate why he claims to be Madara, and why his goals are identical to Madara's.
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    I still think Tobi has to either be at least some form of Madara (he is capable of summoning the Kyuubi just as Edo Madara is), or the SO6P oldest son.

    I have no reason as to why it could be the latter, but one theory I have is the SO6P elder son somehow sealed himself within the Uchiha stone tablet (possibly to wait out his brother's time as his father's Successor), and once Madara unlocked the Rinnegan and was capable of reading the last part of the tablet, he was able to release the seal. I have no manga proof at all, just a theory I'm satisfied with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbee View Post
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    I must disagree with this Theory because You have provided no actual Evidence that Shisui is Tobi, and you contradicted your own points:

    For example Point (4) contradicted by point (6)

    4...." Shisui's right sharigan eye and arm were taken by Danzo, is it a coincidence that Tobi has only one sharingan eye and a detachable arm (see fight versus Fu and Torune). "

    6...." One problem is that Shisui gave his other eye to Itachi before "vanishing all traces of himself"

    Question: Why bother Using Tobi's one eye as evidence that he is Shisui, if you're going to show that Shisui ended up eyeless, and not one eyed.

    Besides, Tobi has and always had TWO eyes, not one.
    Spoiler!


    The Whole eye thing didn't illustrate anything, or serve as evidence for anything.

    Again, If Tobi is Shisui, why would he give up the most powerful Genjutsu eyes in all Uchiha, only to replace them with inferior eyes from an eye Bank?

    Again, Saying That All traces of Shisui Vanished is False. For one thing, The Uchiha elders knew he drowned, therefore they had a drowned body. And again, Danzo retrieved his eye and his arm. You can't get an arm from someone who vanished. If Kabuto couldn't find Shisui's body, it is because Danzo's Root had it last, and probably disposed of the remains.


    Also, Tobi has 2 detachable arms, not one. Both his arms are detachable.

    Left arm detaches here:
    Spoiler!


    Right arm Detaches here:

    Spoiler!


    In order to have a good theory on Tobi, you have to take his detachable parts into consideration, and demonstrate why he claims to be Madara, and why his goals are identical to Madara's.
    Wow Paul,

    Hadn't thought of it like that...looks like i need to read (study) the manga more LOL

    Uchiha Izuna (Madara's brother) might be a good bet i suppose. Anyway whoever it is hopefully the epic reveal isn't too many weeks away

    Lunchroomclassic : Re the SO6P's oldest son wouldn't he be around a few hundred years+ old , I mean Oonoki himself is probaly around 100 years old.

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    this sounds possible. i mean, from what, Kishimoto wrote about the Sage of Six Paths, splitting his power into a body form and eye form that resulted into creating the "Uchiha" and "Senju" clans. i don't think it's entirely impossible for Madara to accomplish something like this, being that he was nearly killed, during his last battle with the First Hokage.

    if, Tobi is indeed a mere creation that Madara made to continue his plans, it would make sense that he can use the Rinnegan, Sharingan as well as having detailed knowledge to attempt some of the things, he's done in the past and now present.

    there's also the possibility, that Tobi is somewhat similar to Kabuto, a ninja who's highly intelligent in learning and adapting to all levels of ninja skills and may admire what, Madara was trying to accomplish. One thing also for sure is, Tobi's main goal is to control the world for the better (in his own mind) and wishes to use the Sage's power to do it.

    I wonder, if there was anyone else, who was present during before the Sage of Six Path's died. maybe, Tobi is the third link or something between Senju and Uchiha. Like a perfect hybrid or something.

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    Madara Probably used the cells he got from the First Hokage during their battle to create both Tobi and Zetsu, as they both have The First's DNA in them. He also must have put some of his own DNA in Tobi to give him the Sharingan, as well as all his memories. To add more to this, if he was alive at the time (Since he mentioned Nagato, he probably was), then he could have found and used Obito's Corpse to make Tobi. However I have no idea why he would make Tobi in the first place, and I don't think it was to continue his plans.
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    damn i forgot about this thread lol
    im starting to believe Tobi is Izuna, brought back from the dead by madara's rinnegan whilst on his deathbed. Or maybe we should just wait until next week, the mask was breaking...

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