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    Tobi's identity analysed

    Just thought someone should look at the recent shock in 559 regarding edo tensei madara with all the info we have.

    As much as I hate to say this, it appears that it's HIGHLY likely that Tobi is madara's brother,Izuna. Dispite this I still believe Madara HAS AND WILL PLAY A BIG ROLE AS A MAJOR VILLAIN IN THE STORY as I feel Tobi and Madara have made plans to reunite and take over the world.

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    The only other people I can tolerate Tobi being is the so6p older son because the motive is still there, putting aside how likely this is if you know what I mean. Also Tobi may well be a previous Uchiha clan leader before Madara and Izuna took over. Hell he could even be Nagato with that "I gave nagato the rinnegan" talk. Tobi could even be a someone shape shifted into some else, one of the unquie powers of the rinnegan that hasnt been revisted since Nagato used the technique with Kisame and Itachi. Important to note that this allows the shape shifed being to use bloodline limits.

    When it comes to this matter there's one thing that must be constant about who Tobi is and thats MOTIVE for this actions. It has to be someone that hates the so6p's younger son(eg,senju), likes amassing power and wants to take over the world. Also it has to be someone wise meaning old to be as knowledgeable as Tobi has shown about matters that a clearly before everyones time in the current timeline.

    Althought I'm not loving this plot twist, on the birght side at least we get to see Madara fight and his EMS. Which will shed some light on the Madara vs Hasihrama fight which is another MAJOR issue that needs to addressed by kishi 10 TIMES OVER lol.
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    Why can't Tobi be a Zetsu Clone of Madara, charged with Using the Rinnegan to Revive the Original. As we see, Zetsu clones have all the abilities of the original., and it would be a simple matter for Madara to imbue the clone with his mental energies.

    I just have a huge problem with pulling Izuna's name out of literaly nowhere for this purpose, when there are other viable hints.

    Tobi claims to be Madara...Why would Izuna do that?
    Itachi Identifies him to be Madara
    Minato identifies him as Madara

    As a Zetsu Clone (which he is at least partially is, he could be Madara, and still want to Revive through Rinne Tensei, the original.
    Finally, Remember how Tobis answered Kakashi's question to him about what are his goals? He said he wanted to be complete. The Zetsu Clone partial Madara wants to be made whole by reviving and reuniting (physically?) with the Original, using the Rinnegan.

    I think this is the most direct answer so far, until Kishi throws in another curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbee View Post
    Why can't Tobi be a Zetsu Clone of Madara, charged with Using the Rinnegan to Revive the Original. As we see, Zetsu clones have all the abilities of the original., and it would be a simple matter for Madara to imbue the clone with his mental energies.

    I just have a huge problem with pulling Izuna's name out of literaly nowhere for this purpose, when there are other viable hints.

    Tobi claims to be Madara...Why would Izuna do that?
    Itachi Identifies him to be Madara
    Minato identifies him as Madara

    As a Zetsu Clone (which he is at least partially is, he could be Madara, and still want to Revive through Rinne Tensei, the original.
    Finally, Remember how Tobis answered Kakashi's question to him about what are his goals? He said he wanted to be complete. The Zetsu Clone partial Madara wants to be made whole by reviving and reuniting (physically?) with the Original, using the Rinnegan.

    I think this is the most direct answer so far, until Kishi throws in another curve.
    zetsu clones cant use bloodline lmits like the sharingan. And tobi has used the sharingan against the fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbee View Post
    Why can't Tobi be a Zetsu Clone of Madara, charged with Using the Rinnegan to Revive the Original. As we see, Zetsu clones have all the abilities of the original., and it would be a simple matter for Madara to imbue the clone with his mental energies.

    I just have a huge problem with pulling Izuna's name out of literaly nowhere for this purpose, when there are other viable hints.

    Tobi claims to be Madara...Why would Izuna do that?
    Itachi Identifies him to be Madara
    Minato identifies him as Madara

    As a Zetsu Clone (which he is at least partially is, he could be Madara, and still want to Revive through Rinne Tensei, the original.
    Finally, Remember how Tobis answered Kakashi's question to him about what are his goals? He said he wanted to be complete. The Zetsu Clone partial Madara wants to be made whole by reviving and reuniting (physically?) with the Original, using the Rinnegan.

    I think this is the most direct answer so far, until Kishi throws in another curve.
    If a zetsu clone is really Tobi then one thin doesn't make sense to me. Remember after Itachi and sasuke's fight when Zetsu (The black and white one) came to report to Tobidara that the fight was over and they had to go there, Zetsu was complaining about how he couldn't keep up with Tobidara's speed. If he was just a zetsu clone why is it that one zetsu will find it hard to keep up with the other. I say Tobidara is anything but a zetsu clone. I don't like the Izuna idea but I will prefer that to be a plausible explanation than him being a Zetsu clone but if I had to guess I will say he is a split of the original Madara himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don.D.Bulky View Post
    If a zetsu clone is really Tobi then one thin doesn't make sense to me. Remember after Itachi and sasuke's fight when Zetsu (The black and white one) came to report to Tobidara that the fight was over and they had to go there, Zetsu was complaining about how he couldn't keep up with Tobidara's speed. If he was just a zetsu clone why is it that one zetsu will find it hard to keep up with the other. I say Tobidara is anything but a zetsu clone. I don't like the Izuna idea but I will prefer that to be a plausible explanation than him being a Zetsu clone but if I had to guess I will say he is a split of the original Madara himself.
    Going by the Zetsu clone idea, the difference-maker would be the Sharingan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbitrary View Post
    Going by the Zetsu clone idea, the difference-maker would be the Sharingan.
    This one is even better:

    Muu is from the same era, as Madara. They May have met. If so madara may have obtained the splitting in two technique from Muu.

    The Madara who fought Hashirama could have been a Split or Half Madara. This Madara was injured by Hashirama (this explains how Tobi says that the wounds from the battle with Hashirama made him powerless, or something like that).

    Tobi Now Merges with a Zetsu Clone, a) to get Hashirama's power, b) To replace parts lost in the battle.

    Madara has a problem, he can't Re-Merge with himself given that Tobi contains Hashirama and plant parts, and he can't get a Rinnegan without merging with himself and Hashirama. Madara solves this problem by Raisung Nagato to weild the Rinnegan.

    Madara may have given Nagato his own original eyes as the seed, but that doesn't explain how he died. Madara gives up all the chakra in his Half body to provide spiritual energy to Nagato. The Combination of Uzumaki+Sharingan+ Uchiha Chakra causes the Rinnegan to form...Hence Madara "Gave" the Rinnegan to Nagato

    Edo Nagato has a Rinnegan because Edo Zombies come back with everything they had when they were alive, even the clothes and weapons on them..Clothes and weapons contain no DNA, so the the Edo Tensei must be more versatile than we originally thought.

    Now Edo Madara was expecting to be Rinne Tensei ...not Edo Tensei, also Tobidara Expected Nagato to use RinneTensei for Madara's benefit...This all means that Nagato had an agreement to use Rinne Tensei to bring back Madara. Nagato knew that Madara was dead, yet he called Tobi Madara. This implies that Nagato knew Madara was split into two.

    Finally, Tobidara told Kakashi that his goal was to be complete. I interprete that to mean that he wants to Re-Merge with himself, plus Hashirama's body type Using none other technique than IZANAGI (Rinne-Izanagi, not the Sharingan version).

    Okay, this theory seems complete and logical to me (as of writing), I could change my mind though. But for now it seems to make sense this way.

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    When tobi first saw the 6th coffin it took him abit of time to pick on the fact hes madara. IF tobi is izuna his borther you'd think he would recongise him alot faster then he did.

    Tobi seemed to recoginse him as slow as muu did.

    This all very weird to me still, Tobi reaction reaction to madara still seems not quite right.

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    What if Madara transplanted one of his eyes to the Tobi Zetsu Clone. That would make sense. And the reason, Tobi couldn't use MS is that he doesn't have the other pair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monte.Teacher View Post
    What if Madara transplanted one of his eyes to the Tobi Zetsu Clone. That would make sense. And the reason, Tobi couldn't use MS is that he doesn't have the other pair.
    that could work,

    but I hope this doesnt come down to zetsu. Kishi using zetsu like a mr fix it. It would be lame.

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    Yeah, when it comes to storytelling, it would be better if Tobi was Izuna.
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