Why Madara lost against the First Hokage ? For the Rinnegan, so that he could wield it and use it later.
It seems Edo-Madara knew about Nagato. But Nagato was 20 ish years old when he died. Madara die more than 30 years before the Fourth Ninja War. So something is not adding up.
I think Tobi is DEAD. That's why Kakshi's MS doesn't work. That's why Amaterasu doesn't work. That's why the Rasengan by the Fourth doesn't work.
Tobi is literally a corpse but one whithout power. Where as Edo-Madara is a revived young Madara. i think Tobi wanted to revive himself using Rinnegan or Nagato. This would explain why Edo-Madara mentions Nagato.
However Edo Madara is under the control of Kabuto. Tobi did not want that to happen. I think Tobi wanted to revive himself and then use Tobi for some other purposes, maybe even merge with the possible revived Madara by Rinnegan. But now, I think it's too late. So Tobi is turning his attention towards his ultimate goal.
Likewise, Madara seems to have expected to be brought back by Nagato. That suggests that he had everything planned out, and was aware that Nagato was developing the Rinnegan.
Madaras soul resided in the pure world aka the afterlife, so Tobi is more than just a clone. Tobi IS MADARA; he has half the soul of the original so hes just as much Madara as the original is. The only difference is Tobi-Madara knows everything the original knows PLUS everything that happened after the original died.
Tobi cannot be Izuna, since he specifically stated that he wanted Rinne Tensei to be used on himself, he didnt say he wanted it to be used on "Madara."
With all evidence, I'm going to theorize that Madara split his soul in two, and put 1/2 in a zetsu clone.
We know that the original Madara died during Nagatos childhood so basically some time during the second ninja war. I think in some way he expected his death cause otherwise why else would he split his soul. One thing is for sure tho, he didnt die at the hands of hashirama.
manga has paid special attention to Muu is that he is an illustrational counterpart to Madara. A beast of a kage, shrouded (as opposed to masked, BOTH ARE SEEN BANDAGED AS HELL), is split in battle (with a representational sibling, the younger tsuchikage who he knew, similar to uchiha+senju=siblings), BOTH are muu, one is defeated, fooling all who saw ala Madara vs Hashirama. It is revealed that the technique splits the power in half. This is why Tobi's ocular prowess is seemingly limited. We have reasons why he has not used MS but in this split theory we have bases covered for why we have 1 eye from the Madara/Izuna ems set in Tobi (see my other posts) but no real power to drive it to it's full potential. The zetsu stuff came later and we do not know the full extent of Tobi's "zetsuness" but the indications from fragments of face to the mizukage's supposed appearance is that it is a human face, not "plantish human". Zetsu is a part of the plan but not some mere clone or recepticle for Madara's soul. Zetsu is the physical enablement of Madara to have Hashirama's power.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-57473-...apter-510.html I present you this scene to begin the answers. One half Madara died to afford the other half Madara the decades/centuries needed for their crazy plan, which includes obviously now the coming up of Nagato (Uzumaki & Uchiha Madara/Izuna bred as I read somewhere here earlier) to resurrect the dead half Madara. Madara needed to be believed dead first to remove the immediate threat of Hashirama's opposition to his plans, and second the senju determination that runs contrary to his own. Run with that and you will start to have less questions and more answers.
Last edited by knife eater; 10-13-2011 at 03:02 PM.
Hashirama was never any threat to Madara, even the original Madara lived to see Nagato as a child, so both halves lived far longer than Hashirama did. Neither 1/2 of Madara died during the battle the Hashirama. All we know is that 1/2 of Madara died during Nagatos childhood aka around the second ninja war.
I think the real question is who was powerful enough during nagatos childhood to have to force Madara to split himself in half?
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What if Madara died by putting whatever was left of his chakra into Nagato, in order to supply the Spiritual energy needed to create the Rinnegan. Madara died from Chakra exhaustion.
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