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    Izanami

    I know someone mentioned this.. but I'll go ahead and post this anyways.

    Kishimoto loves using Japanese mythology apparently. Look at the Sage of the 6 path's weapons, they're based on mythology, called the demon brothers or w/e. Izanagi, Susansoo, Amaratasu, Tskuyomi all represent something in Japanese mythology. Amara, being the sun. Tskuyomi the sun. Susansoo was just thing that was snorted out of some random God's nose, which was Izanagi.
    All of these were introduced except Izanami.

    Now here's my theory on Izanami. Izanagi represents creation and LIFE. In a little brief japanese story, Izanami threatened that she will kill thousand of people everyday. This means Izanami represents death. While Izanagi countered by saying he'll give birth to a thousand people, meaning he represents life.

    Izanagi in the naruto world, represents life as well. The Sage of 6 paths, used Izanagi to create stuff out of nothing. He gave life, etc. Izanami is just an opposite. Izanagi represents life, while Izanami represents death.

    So I'm predicting that Izanami will be introduced in the Naruto-verse. Maybe it'll be the final EMS technique, or something more then that. All I know that this jutsu will be the opposite of Izanagi.

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    Maybe if Izanagi turns illusion into reality, Izanami turns reality into illusion. And just like the Sharingan version of Izanagi only affects the reality of the user, maybe Izanami also only affects the user. It could even be part of what allows Madara to become intangible, with everything passing through him; he becomes entirely illusion.

    It could also be that Madara's phasing ability is something totally different; I figured Izanami might help explain how exactly his technique is tied to the Sharingan, and why other Uchiha can't seem to use or counter it. Since he's the only EMS user, it stands to reason the technique is tied to the EMS.

    Maybe the Sharingan Izanami has some really high cost to the user, too, which could explain Madara's limitations.

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    Yea Izanami does represent death, ill be intresting to see how this will play into the series.

    Im pretty sure it will make it in the series, and there's good chance the tech u get when u get ems could be it.

    Will find out soon enough I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    Maybe if Izanagi turns illusion into reality, Izanami turns reality into illusion. And just like the Sharingan version of Izanagi only affects the reality of the user, maybe Izanami also only affects the user. It could even be part of what allows Madara to become intangible, with everything passing through him; he becomes entirely illusion.

    It could also be that Madara's phasing ability is something totally different; I figured Izanami might help explain how exactly his technique is tied to the Sharingan, and why other Uchiha can't seem to use or counter it. Since he's the only EMS user, it stands to reason the technique is tied to the EMS.

    Maybe the Sharingan Izanami has some really high cost to the user, too, which could explain Madara's limitations.
    Makes sense. Reality into illusion.

    I once asked a question if Izanagi could cause destruction and every response I received that it could not. So Izanami can cause destruction. Interesting jutsu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobirama Senju View Post
    Makes sense. Reality into illusion.

    I once asked a question if Izanagi could cause destruction and every response I received that it could not. So Izanami can cause destruction. Interesting jutsu.
    Destruction is such a vague term, anything can cause destruction, but very few things can create.

    Izanami has to be unqiue like izanagi.

    In another thread, probally the one u mentioned in original post I think it could be a time-space technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    Maybe if Izanagi turns illusion into reality, Izanami turns reality into illusion. And just like the Sharingan version of Izanagi only affects the reality of the user, maybe Izanami also only affects the user. It could even be part of what allows Madara to become intangible, with everything passing through him; he becomes entirely illusion.

    It could also be that Madara's phasing ability is something totally different; I figured Izanami might help explain how exactly his technique is tied to the Sharingan, and why other Uchiha can't seem to use or counter it. Since he's the only EMS user, it stands to reason the technique is tied to the EMS.

    Maybe the Sharingan Izanami has some really high cost to the user, too, which could explain Madara's limitations.
    I agree with the theory that Izanami turns reality into illusion. I also agree with the fact that Izanami could help find the link to the sharingan and the "space technique" Madara casts causing him to be "intangible". And as for those limitations that the Izanami causes after use... maybe the rinnengan makes up for it. Somewhat similiar to Shisui's ocular power ... the ability to control others but as Danzou said its something he cant use daily...because after casting Shisui's ocular power you have to let the sharingan rest and it can't be used until the eye recuperates -Danzou vs Sasuke- Maybe after casting the Izanami or the "space technique" or w.e. it is , Madara needs time to let his sharingan eye recuperate. Thus, Madara uses the rinnengan to buy himself time and do damage to his opponents....just a theory.. Lol but of course that's not the only reason Madara wanted the Rinnengan.. its pure power who wouldn't want it lol. I'm just saying maybe thats one of the reason why he needs it.

    Any ideas on that link that the "space technique" may have with the sharingan?


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    First off: Hilarious Minato/Kushina picture. I've thought of that exact scenario before... the "fastest ninja in the world" paired with the chick with the highest stamina can only lead to suffering in the bedroom, but at least Naruto's got the makings to be a real stud when you combine the two.

    Second, I think space/time may be linked to the Sharingan for several reasons. The bending of time/reality seems akin to bending the form an object takes, not too different from how Genjutsu can alter one's perception of reality. Tsukuyomi forces the victim to experience multiple days' worth of suffering within a brief moment. Sasuke was able to take control of Orochimaru's alternate dimension by using his basic Sharingan genjutsu. Even the nature of the Sharingan's enhanced reflexes can be seen as experiencing "time" on a different level than everyone else... the Sharingan users literally see the opponent's movements before they happen.

    I think the Sharingan's powers over Genjutsu, which are based on altering one's perception of reality, stem from the essence of all spiritual energies in the Narutoverse, providing a concept and design out of imagination. Space/time jutsu, which bends the laws or current state of reality, must also be heavily based on spiritual energies, although unlike pure Genjutsu it has actual, physical effects on reality. However, the Sharingan is the only tool that can perfectly synchronize Genjutsu with reality, giving it a vastly superior control over space/time jutsu as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    First off: Hilarious Minato/Kushina picture. I've thought of that exact scenario before... the "fastest ninja in the world" paired with the chick with the highest stamina can only lead to suffering in the bedroom, but at least Naruto's got the makings to be a real stud when you combine the two.

    Second, I think space/time may be linked to the Sharingan for several reasons. The bending of time/reality seems akin to bending the form an object takes, not too different from how Genjutsu can alter one's perception of reality. Tsukuyomi forces the victim to experience multiple days' worth of suffering within a brief moment. Sasuke was able to take control of Orochimaru's alternate dimension by using his basic Sharingan genjutsu. Even the nature of the Sharingan's enhanced reflexes can be seen as experiencing "time" on a different level than everyone else... the Sharingan users literally see the opponent's movements before they happen.

    I think the Sharingan's powers over Genjutsu, which are based on altering one's perception of reality, stem from the essence of all spiritual energies in the Narutoverse, providing a concept and design out of imagination. Space/time jutsu, which bends the laws or current state of reality, must also be heavily based on spiritual energies, although unlike pure Genjutsu it has actual, physical effects on reality. However, the Sharingan is the only tool that can perfectly synchronize Genjutsu with reality, giving it a vastly superior control over space/time jutsu as well.
    No, it's more reasonable to belive that it comes from physical energies, as the only known time-space users, were Tobirama (a senju), Minato (he was a hokage, so his rather closer to the senju), Kakashi (a hokage candidate) and Tobi (who posses senju genes from the first).


    Though, I belive it's actually one of the powers that have close to perfect blending of spiritual and physical energies (this as well would explain why Tobi can use it). Gravity and time-space ninjutsu, could be consider a superior element, only seen from people who excel at both energies.

    Tobirama, Minato, Kakashi, the 3 of them are closer to senju (well one of them is ;p), but doesn't posses that great stamina (compared to some senju/uzumaki monsters ;p), but they excel more at technique and speed, and 2 of them have been shown to be capable of using a genjutsu (although Kakashi's genjutsu talent seems to be lesser than Tobirama's, but he backs it up with his sharingan). It's only reasonable to belive that only people capable of handling both energies can use time-space ninjutsu, just like Tobi, who certainly has both of them.


    Was Tobi really talking about a new jutsu and not about that the EMS is a new doujutsu (not a jutsu like amaterasu but an eye jutsu like byakugan) ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    First off: Hilarious Minato/Kushina picture. I've thought of that exact scenario before... the "fastest ninja in the world" paired with the chick with the highest stamina can only lead to suffering in the bedroom, but at least Naruto's got the makings to be a real stud when you combine the two.

    Second, I think space/time may be linked to the Sharingan for several reasons. The bending of time/reality seems akin to bending the form an object takes, not too different from how Genjutsu can alter one's perception of reality. Tsukuyomi forces the victim to experience multiple days' worth of suffering within a brief moment. Sasuke was able to take control of Orochimaru's alternate dimension by using his basic Sharingan genjutsu. Even the nature of the Sharingan's enhanced reflexes can be seen as experiencing "time" on a different level than everyone else... the Sharingan users literally see the opponent's movements before they happen.

    I think the Sharingan's powers over Genjutsu, which are based on altering one's perception of reality, stem from the essence of all spiritual energies in the Narutoverse, providing a concept and design out of imagination. Space/time jutsu, which bends the laws or current state of reality, must also be heavily based on spiritual energies, although unlike pure Genjutsu it has actual, physical effects on reality. However, the Sharingan is the only tool that can perfectly synchronize Genjutsu with reality, giving it a vastly superior control over space/time jutsu as well.
    Thanks on the compliment on the picture xD.

    Anyways, nice explanation on the link between the space technique and the sharingan. I support your theory.

    Just a thought but if Madara can use Izanagi and has EMS and has both the Uchiha and Senju powers in him,wouldn't we already have been able to see Izanami? Unless, Izanami is going to awaken first through Sasuke's EMS for w.e. reason.

    Maybe that's another reason why Madara wants Sasuke, to obtain the Izanami.

    Idk i'm not sure correct me on anything if i'm wrong.


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    u know izanamo could be even to naruto next chapter who knows, itachi gift is about to be revealed.

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