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    Not if you look at Naruto's track record. He has defeated enemy after enemy that on paper is stronger than he is. He is known for never giving up and that is what makes him come out as the winner every single time. If you never accept defeat and keep fighting then you haven't lost. And even though Madara is in his own rank, Naruto don't care and Naruto knows that the only way to end the war is the kill Madara and Kabuto, but if he doesn't do it his own way, then it's simply no reason to do it. That is just how Naruto is.


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    in response to the original poster.

    its quite obvious, the original rikkudo sage was an uzumaki, that way the only ppl that has developed rinnegan were uzumaki making it a true bloodline limit for all uzumaki(the original rikkudo sage would be an uzumaki and we know nagato was an uzumaki), and if you think about it, the uzumakis displayed many of the traits that both the senju and uchiha clan displays, for example uzumakis were known for their longivity and stamina which can be argued to me the ultimate expressions of a strong body which was the senju clan trademark, and they also displayed an strong sense of will, resillient and strong chakra something that can be argued to be the uchiha clan's trademark, in fact when madara wanted from the 1st hokage wasnt his senju blood but rather his thin uzumaki blood. also uzumakis were specialists in seal techniques and the rikkudo sage was the first to seal the 10 tailed beast so it isnt too far fetched that the first ppl he would teach sealing techniques was his own clan.

    this ofc is all theory, but a lot of things come into place if you think of the 1st rikkudo sage as coming from the uzumaki clan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almara View Post
    in response to the original poster.

    its quite obvious, the original rikkudo sage was an uzumaki, that way the only ppl that has developed rinnegan were uzumaki making it a true bloodline limit for all uzumaki(the original rikkudo sage would be an uzumaki and we know nagato was an uzumaki), and if you think about it, the uzumakis displayed many of the traits that both the senju and uchiha clan displays, for example uzumakis were known for their longivity and stamina which can be argued to me the ultimate expressions of a strong body which was the senju clan trademark, and they also displayed an strong sense of will, resillient and strong chakra something that can be argued to be the uchiha clan's trademark, in fact when madara wanted from the 1st hokage wasnt his senju blood but rather his thin uzumaki blood. also uzumakis were specialists in seal techniques and the rikkudo sage was the first to seal the 10 tailed beast so it isnt too far fetched that the first ppl he would teach sealing techniques was his own clan.

    this ofc is all theory, but a lot of things come into place if you think of the 1st rikkudo sage as coming from the uzumaki clan.
    No no no, the Uzumaki's are decadence of the Original Sage. Just like Senju and Uchiha is, but they are a cross between them. The Original Sage is nothing more than he is and everyone after that is simply a branch clan from him. Rikudou don't belong to a clan seeing how he was the first Shinobi ever and there was no clans. And the first clans where Uchiha and Senju which are direct decadence of the older and younger brother. The Uzumaki clan are very much alike to the Senju clan, with them sharing the same traits.


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    well, that too is all theory, gaara kazekage, the only thing we know for sure is that the uzumaki clan are distant descendents of the senju clan, but by extention the uzumaki clan must also be descendents of the uchiha clan also bcoz the senju and uchiha clan share common ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almara View Post
    well, that too is all theory, gaara kazekage, the only thing we know for sure is that the uzumaki clan are distant descendents of the senju clan, but by extention the uzumaki clan must also be descendents of the uchiha clan also bcoz the senju and uchiha clan share common ancestry.
    No, I'd disagree. Uzumakis couldn't have descended from the Elder Son. My own theory is that the Uzumakis originated from the Senjus. As you see there were MANY clans, before Hashimara became the guy who made Konoha. My best bet is that the Uzumakis separated from the Senjus and formed their own clan, and eventually became close friends with them. Mating occurred which allowed both sides to get the delicious physical energies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaara Kazekage View Post
    Not if you look at Naruto's track record. He has defeated enemy after enemy that on paper is stronger than he is. He is known for never giving up and that is what makes him come out as the winner every single time. If you never accept defeat and keep fighting then you haven't lost. And even though Madara is in his own rank, Naruto don't care and Naruto knows that the only way to end the war is the kill Madara and Kabuto, but if he doesn't do it his own way, then it's simply no reason to do it. That is just how Naruto is.
    There is a reason why Naruto should save the world. Because its the world goddamn it. He feels obliged to actually save the world because his friends are fighting for him. He doesn't need to do it his own way, if you can save the world by robbing a eye then so be it. It wouldn't actually harm anyone, as of now.

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    the reason why i postulated that the uzumakis was by extention related to the uchihas was that the senju is related to the uchiha since they share a common ancestor in the rikkudo sage and his sons, so if the uzumakis share some blood with the senju, no matter how small, then they would in theory, also have some of the rikkudo sage's blood albeit very small amount and be related with the uchihas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobirama Senju View Post
    No, I'd disagree. Uzumakis couldn't have descended from the Elder Son. My own theory is that the Uzumakis originated from the Senjus. As you see there were MANY clans, before Hashimara became the guy who made Konoha. My best bet is that the Uzumakis separated from the Senjus and formed their own clan, and eventually became close friends with them. Mating occurred which allowed both sides to get the delicious physical energies.
    Theory and theory @Almara, we do know enough about this do almost say it's certain. Almost every clan in Konoha has some Senju here and there because the Senju clan chose to get married to who the wanted not limited by their clan like the Uchiha's and Uzumaki's. And I think the common believe is what Tobirama says.

    They are all related somehow, just like everyone in the real world, it's just a question of how far back and how does this affect them today. Uzumaki's are close related to the Senju's that we know and therefor descendants of the younger brother.


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    my point being, 1 would think that the older and younger son of the rikkudo sage is related to each other(obviously), if they are related then senju and uchiha must be related too, even if it is remote, since they are descendents of the 2 sons, if that is true then the uzumaki clan must be related to the uchiha as well or atleast share some traits, even if that is even more remote since they come from senju i but yeah, i can see your point it is a matter of going far enough back, i guess but parts of your blood will still be of that clan.

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    The Senju clan mixed with many other clans... The Hyuuga, Uchiha and Uzumaki don't seem to have done the same thing.

    This way they kept their bloodlines stronger, the kept the dominant traits.

    It seems ONLY an Uzumaki could seal/contain the Kyuubi.

    Minato was taught seals by Kushina and worked from there, and no one other than Uzumakis have ever been the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki.

    So they have the stronger blood tie to Rikodou Sennin, and thus to the Uchiha as well, they're basically cousins... Whereas Shodaime Hokage was particularly blessed with physical energies amongst the Senju, it seems that ALL Uzumaki are blessed with these physical energies.

    Kushina had the kyuubi ripped from her right after giving birth and was still alive...even Madara was surprised and attributed it to her Uzumaki blood.
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