well even if the eye's in the pain bodies are "real" madara only had acess two pain boides of nagato.
Nagato and Yuriko. So thats 4 rinnegans.
And besides konoha has one pain bodie aswell but nagato didnt bother talking out the eyes in the pain bodie he found in konoha. So I doubt the rinnegans in these pain bodies are reall thing to the point anyone can come alone and go "hey I have the best eyes for free"
Thought he took the whole body back from Konaha, and had it either repurpsed or destroyed, during the attack when Shikamaru and the assistant was there?
Originally Posted by Zero
Tobi has a rinnegan, the soul and body energy of so6p's descendants and power of bijuus, all of that allows him to use one jutsu of final creation, at unbelievable scale, Izanagi. If it's Tobi's chakra that flows in the zombies eyes, then yes, he can alter it to become rinnegan, as it would be the same as altering his own reality.
The fact that the so6p could split the bijuu, with different shape, personality etc. may be because his chakra was mixed enough with the jyubi (the same thing that hapens with Bee and Naruto, when using their bijuu's chakra) and so it was almost like his own, that's why Izanagi worked, or his was still even more different.
I thought he or rather izanagi, the limited 1's now in use, effect the users limited reality of space immediately around them? Wouldn't that mean he couldn't exactly effect the reality of 6 other separate bodies, either?
Originally Posted by StareIntoMySharingan
the sage was the epitome or at the peak of his godly powers when he was BOTH a bearer of the rinnegan and jinchuuriki of the jyuubi.
his power was then split into his two sons, into the power of doujutsu(which has produced some deadly abilities), and the power of having a body capable of housing a bijuu(which is raw power in its own right)
his younger son was probably able to easily house the kyuubi, not saying he did, just saying his body was probably able to with little problem if need be; maybe his body would be able to withstand even the jyuubi, can't say for sure. this is the power that was inherited by the younger son, NOT any eye powers.
people shouldn;t say that the rinnegan was split between the two sons because it wasn't. the sage's eye powers went strictly to his elder son.
my question is why did the rinnegan change when passed down to the elder son, the elder son has a doujutsu which isn't mention by name, yet has a unique pattern/design not seen anywhere else, we have no idea what his eyes were capable of. i hope that sasuke when reaching the peak of the power of his lineage gains these mysterious eyes so that we can learn about them and see what they were about when it came to battle. were they able to externally tame the jyuubi like the sharingan can externally tame the kyuubi??? who really knows but kishi.
anyways, the eye powers of the sage went directly to his elder son and only his elder son, while the power of his body aka the ability to be a jinchuuriki went to the younger son.
we know what happens when someone who does not have the body of an uchiha tries to attain the sharingan, flaws eventually manifest. while the body of an uchiha can easily bear such power. so perhaps it takes a specific body, even stronger than the body of an uchiha, to retain the rinnegan with no problem, so perhaps the eyes of the elder son were "limited" for this reason alone, he didn't have the body capable of holding such power since his younger brother inherited the body not him. regardless, the younger son didn't gain the power of his fathers eyes in any way whatsoever.
SO, perhaps the full power of the rinnegan was locked away in the elder sons' eyes and all his descendants which would explain the possibility of a sharingan or EMS somehow turning into the rinnegan, possibly with some help from the genes of the younger sons lineage.. the genes are capable of unlocking this dormant power within the eyes. so, madara really did somehow transplant his eyes into nagato's eye sockets knowing he was a descendant of the younger son, so unlock the dormant rinnegan power within madara's eyes..
hmmmm, so many question i hope kishin clarifies for us.
Originally Posted by paulbee
You asked why the Elder son's eyes did not take the form of the Rinnegan. I think that the answer is looking you in the eyes. The Elder son's eyes are what the Sages eyes would be without the Physical Energy of the Sage. In other words, it is an incomplete Rinnegan. This my friend is the reason why people say that the Rinnegan was split in two (even though that is not accurate).
In other words, you might compare the Elder Son's Eyes to the Ultimate EMS. If he (Elder Son) could have taken the Younger Son's Physical Energies to himself, his eyes would have changed into a Rinnegan. Conversely, if the Younger son would have removed his brother's eyes and transplanted them to himself, they would have changed into Rinnegans.
Question: What is the connection between the Uzumaki Clan and the Elder Son? Interesting food for thought.
It's also possible though that, judging from Zero's interpretationa couple of posts ^, that both brothers, had the means for "both sides of the coin" as it were, but they were born with excelling ability towards 1 opposite ends of the spectrum, and never even attempted really to attain for the other 1. I'm going by how the interpretation said "born with" and "excelled at", and or "gifted in", would denote to me a possibility of a possibly weaker diluted ability comparable to their father, but not necessarily needing anything from each other, but trying to search/ train/ explore their own possibilities more than what they were "gifted or excelled" at. This could also explain (possibly, even though I personally don't want it), how Naruto would develop his, if Yes possibly Itachi's gift, and perhaps a "bit" more concentration on genjutsu and it's nature that for Naruto has gone almost totally ignored by now.
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