Thread: Obama sends Congress 3.73 trillion Budget

Originally Posted by SCarred Luffy Lvl:Z

America might have had a "surplus" technically, but we've always been in debt to other countries basically since America formed.



So because you don't like some1, you think they shouldn't be president and feel vindicated in that attitude? lol
You do realize in depression/ repression situations, you often don't see results to get out from under the depression/ repression situations for years, (not to mention those results can still be slim and not even go well forever), yet you automatically expect results? funny. People do realize that the effects of the depression although lessened still had an impact on the state of affairs of this country till this day, more than 70 years later. This was either going to go bad or worse than bad with the slimmest margin for possibly coming out of it. The only mistake Obama made was becoming president at this time when no matter if things changed drastically for the good, some1 would always be there to complain that he missed this or that. Sincerely doubt things would have changed too much for the better no matter who took over.

well the thing is i see him as a douche because he is not really doing any thing to help matters. and you implying that what he is doing will actually help down the road which almost none of it will.

Originally Posted by cross777

well the thing is i see him as a douche because he is not really doing any thing to help matters. and you implying that what he is doing will actually help down the road which almost none of it will.

Makes sense Except you don't know if it will help matters down the road or not. That is the meaning of down the road. a long time from now. If you read the rest of my post though, like I said there were so many underlying problems that just kept escalating and escalating to that fabled "breaking point" that they would just completely need to be resolved anyway or any other measures to sidestep it would just result in the slow roll towards a bleak future. We are at that point now, and pretty much secretly reached it somewhere in the middle of Bush's presidency. This meant that for the country anyway that whoever followed bush would be the fall guy no matter if he had somehow temporarily improved stuff dramatically. But to completely resolve them would take too much time and possibly decades. Therefore the thing that a president could only hope to do is try to solve the most immediate problems which also happen to be the most public problems. No matter the methods that they or Obama used, in the long run it would not matter because they just cured a symptom of the original disease.

Not saying that this was a good or bad decision on Obama's part but that he had to do something, and no matter how it turns out, any other possible solution , odds are would have just been equally effective, or equally ineffective as the case might be. But the truth is whoever followed Bush no matter who, doubt they would have improved the situation to a visible significant point anyways. And if they hadn't would you be saying the same exact things about them, really?
Exactly you see him as a douche yet Bush who also effectively did nothing but help push it to this point is cool with you?

Originally Posted by cross777

your right this is priceless. a priceless opportunity to learn from our mistakes and get him out of there in 2012 and never vote in him or anyone else with the same mind set as him ever again.

Woah woah woah, Wait a minute are you saying that having Bush in charge wasn't a mistake? Yea I admit Obama probably did some wrong things but he gets mostly blamed for stuff that Bush caused, You cant have a mistake that was already there

im not saying he was the best choice either but i would much rather have him right now than Obama but i agree bush may not have been the best choice but again.................

Originally Posted by thsv

cross, this has been coming since the Reegan years. He lowered taxes for higher earners based on the idea that if you let them keep more of their money they'd try to earn more and that would trickle down to lower earners who'd make up the difference in tax revenue. Thanks to defence spending it failed. (Can't blame them back then. They had the Soviet Union to deal with.)

The funny thing is that the Soviet Union was spending 40% of their GNP on the military. We were spending 8%. Reagan wanted to increase it to 16%. Our 8% was equivalent monetarily to their 40%. This increase in spending put the Nomenklatura on edge. Their spies were all over our government in positions of power, and told them that in a ground war our military would crush theirs before the spending increase. They were left with a dichotomy: start the nuclear apocalypse or allow Gorbachev to come in with Glasnost and Perestroika. They chose Gorbachev and it lead to the fall.