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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabarnes View Post
    This is already the second time I've said it in this thread alone. Chapter 254: Dordonii says that there were naturally created Espada before Aizen. Period.
    I don't remember him saying before Aizen... I remember him saying before the Hougyoku...

    I'll have to read that chapter again once I go home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roshi View Post
    I don't remember him saying before Aizen... I remember him saying before the Hougyoku...

    I'll have to read that chapter again once I go home.
    Ok whatever, before the hogyoku. Naturally created means Aizen didn't do it. Aizen does not equal nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dabarnes View Post
    Ok whatever, before the hogyoku. Naturally created means Aizen didn't do it. Aizen does not equal nature.
    Aizen has been experimenting with Hollows for years... Hence the hollow that killed Shiba Kaien.

    So, the early Espada don't have to be "naturally" occurring arrancar just because they didn't use the Hougyoku, they could've been created by Aizen long ago.

    Did Dordonii say "naturally" born arrancar?

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    I think he means Espada members, not the actually Espada group itself. I think the Espada grouping is purely Aizen himself and anything before Aizen were just adjucca's who became arancar by ripping their own masks off or by having someone interfere like Aizen or something.
    A pie in the sky?

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    Ok.. so the question stands regarding the existence of the Old/'Natural' and New/Hougyoku Espada due to Neriel's appearance.

    (P.S; similar to Yoruichi, Kisuke and Isshin's case no?... If so, I doubt Kubo will clear it out though)

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