Naruto 510 Discussion / 511 Prediction

[rinnebadass]

we dont know that yet. as we dont know how madara was able t get hashirama's power.

[FenixMarco]

So Madara's Izanagi is perfected so well that he doesn't get the bad recoil at the cost of 1 eye? Now what he said about the bootleg version of Danzo makes sense to me. Rinnebadass thanks for explaining about Nagato mocking him, enjoyed that post.

[KBGuate32]

Awsome chapter full of fight and info!!! Madara had to pull the strings not to lose to Konan... man, she was tough... I though of the Salamander's paper jutsu that kept all three Sanin busy...

not exatcly, rikkudo could use perf izanagi cuz he had three: uchicha, senju and rinnegan, imo thats why marada was after nagatos eyes and the text on the last page. so, madara was using an imperfect izanagi = he should have one eye less.

I can live with that. The izanagi with the Rinnegan would eliminate the cost of the eye, that's why Danzo's was an incomplete izanagi.

I wonder what it was that Madara took from the 2nd, that gave him that part of the Senju clan. Danzo had an arm thing made out of Senju DNA.. could Madara's body be product of his new powers? Meaning he can grow body parts somehow instead of using Zetsu as a body-part factory like some thought

Cool stuff! Uzumaki Nagato!!!

we were treated to another Madara's tank this week... but he now really has the rinnegan (whether a transplanted rinnegan would work 100% is still not sure imo).

Maybe now Naruto could get a transplant of Uchiha's eyes to combine with his senju blood and then face transplanted rinnegan madara.

I'm thinking if an Uchiha had a child with a Senju, then they could have a Rinnegan?

okey if you can achieve a rinnegan by taking power from an uchiha if you are a senju and the other way around, than could madara have given Nagato his power and in a way given him the rinnegan...and could he give Sasuke the rinnegan too?

So you're saying that you'd like to see Naruto with the Rinnegan, in Sage mode, with the 9-Tails fox-eye combination.. in 9-Tail mode of course.. doing Izanagi here and there while spamming Fuuton: Rasen-Shuriken

[iKyubi]

so madara is the first path
senju the second
nagato the 3rd


i wonder who the other 3 are.

[Chaos Shepherd]

So, its prolly like this right..

- Izanagi -

Version 1- Makes illusion into reality.. but you lose eyesight in one eye. (just need sharingan)

Version 2- Makes illusion into reality.. but you keep eyesight. (Need sharingan + Senju Blood, and possibly uchiha blood)

Version 3- Makes illusion into reality.. You can also "create" things. (Need Rinnegan + senju and uchiha blood, possibly even sharingan)

Now, does V2 and V3 need MS, or will a regular sharingan suffice? 2 tomoe, or 3 tomoe (were all of danzous sharingan 3 tomoe?).. O.o id have to guess 3 tomoe at the very least.. And id say you wouldnt need MS, but thats just a guess..

[Aga bomBa]

Epic, Epic and again; EPIC !

- First of all; Have to say it,.. my freakin long discussion in the previous discussion thread, just showed that I predicted it right in every aspect

He's Uchiha Madara ( Like I've been saying from day one ) and he just manipulated everything in the shadows. I even have a post, where I explain, that Itachi's words were true in every aspect.. ( I can't even imagine, how someone could doubt about Itachi words, just foolish ). I'm half way right, so I also believe now for certain,that he just didnt " GAVE IT ".. read the spoiler -->

Spoiler!

* responding on what I've bolded in your quote *

.. that's the factor that you must not take literally. Madara says I gave it to him and he says that it's his right for taking it back.

- The way how he " gave it ", is because of his influences on the shinobi world. Nagato awakened the Rinnegan, because he lost his parents infront of his eyes.. losing his parents was the outcome of Madara's influences ( Creation of War / Pain / Loss ).

That's why he's saying in a " Evil, Mind- manipulating Way ",--> I'm only taking back what was mine to begin with. Madara has been playing with the lives of everyone, while hiding in the shadows. Everything what that selfish, sick f*ck wants, is always gonna be HIS in the end,.. because MADARA UCHIHA is the cause of everything that has been involving.
Madara is the reason why Sasuke became an avenger, a shinobi EATEN UP by the ninja's world Bitterness and Hatred. And the beauty about this; Sasuke isn't the only one. Naruto, Itachi, Zabuza etc..

- Have you never noticed, that he never forces people for believing him? When Kisame or Sasuke said I don't believe, he didn't forced them or said anything about it. Madara has always been saying; believe what you want..

AND THIS IS WHERE ITACHI'S QUOTE comes in play, read or watch the page in the spoiler tag:

Spoiler!

" Madara is very much alive. BUT I can't force you to believe me. ( exactly what Madara does.. this is the best way for making people doubt their judgement )
People live their lives bound by what they accept as CORRECT and TRUE.That's how THEY define REALITY. But what does it mean, to be CORRECT or TRUE? Merely vague concepts.. Their " REALITY " may all be a mirage. "

I know it's hard to believe, even for Konan.. but when the whole freakin SHINOBI WORLD thinks that you're dead for 80 years.. ( that's what they thought of Madara Uchiha ), BUT YOU'RE NOT; then you can mind play everyone with the right intelligence, life- experience and knownlegde.

It's just like playing chess, but he's waiting for the right moment for making that crucial move; Chess Mat. Madara is the Master Puppeteer so far, and this is what I think about his way of ruling the shinobi world behind the scenes.

***** " Legend has it that Uchiha Madara was bested by Hashirama Senju.. but is the legend true? " Madara's words..

Spoiler!

A quote from my post:

- Have you never noticed, that he never forces people for believing him? When Kisame or Sasuke said I don't believe, he didn't forced them or said anything about it. Madara has always been saying; believe what you want..

AND THIS IS WHERE ITACHI'S QUOTE comes in play, read or watch the page in the spoiler tag:

Spoiler!

" Madara is very much alive. BUT I can't force you to believe me. ( exactly what Madara does.. this is the best way for making people doubt their judgement )
People live their lives bound by what they accept as CORRECT and TRUE.That's how THEY define REALITY. But what does it mean, to be CORRECT or TRUE? Merely vague concepts.. Their " REALITY " may all be a mirage. "

Secondly; It seems that his right eye has never been harmed, but it seems that Madara uses his left socket, for transplanting sharingan eyes... as you can see; his left eye closed, because he used Izanagi.

- And do you guys saw the Rinnegan Pattern on the stairs of that temple?

Spoiler!

.. it may be nothing, or that temple is sacred and Madara could be fallin into a trap. ( don't know about this yet.. )

I've been spamming posts like a M.. fcker about him being Uchiha Madara, corrupting the world with his circle of Hatred and the most major key of my speculations were; Madara knowing that he couldn't beat Hashirama that easily ( even with Kyuubi next to him ), so he had a back- up plan from the beginning.. like he always has. Madara is truelly; the best manipulater, the best Master- Planner in Naruto Manga. Madara Uchiha does always has a plan, even for that 6th coffin. And where is JynXx, who called me stupid, for believing that Tobi is Madara, after all what Kabuto said to him

- He had to be Uchiha Madara for so many reasons, and the biggest reason is; Madara executing what he was fated to do; keeping the circle of hatred goin on, after the Elder Son died. As his descedant, Madara kept the circle of hatred spinning around.. and it all started with Rikudou choosing his successor ( Elder or Younger Son ) and Round 2 was when Madara's Clans men choose Hashirama as their leader, backstabbing him and having his little brother sacrifice his life for nothing|--->

Spoiler!

Exactly.. never believe any words that's coming out of Madara's mouth, if it cocerns his own needs.

- the story that he told Sasuke, was for 95% true. There was no need for him to lie about all of that stuff, because he knew that Sasuke was very emotional if it comes to the Uchiha Clan + history and Itachi's life. That's why Madara told Kakashi, Naruto and Yamato, that he didn't forced Sasuke for making such decision. Madara knew the darkness boiling inside of Sasuke, and he just boost him up by revealing the true story. That's the reason why Itachi never wanted Sasuke to know that, why? Sasuke has always been an emotional person and very easy to manipulate. Sasuke isn't of Itachi's calibur and Madara knows that.. only thing that he lied about was Kyuubi's second attack.

* This is what I meant by his influences on the shinobi world, his influences on Sasuke, Naruto, Nagato, Yahiko and everybody else that's been fighting against that curse of hatred.

" All right, I'll tell you... about a man eaten up by the Ninja worlds Hatred and Bitterness " --> and guess who did that ?!?!



- The eternal circle of hatred started when Rikudou made his descision; his Elder or Younger Son as his successor,.. and he choose the Younger son. The picture below, just shows us that Madara ( the Uchiha, the descendants of the Elder Son ) was fated for keeping the circle hatred going on and on..

Spoiler!

Seriously: everything in Naruto Manga is destined to happen.. only one person has the power to end this eternal circle of hatred and create a peaceful shinobi world with good intentions; Naruto Uzumaki, the real successor of Rikudou.. [ Elder Son, Uchiha -> Darkness, Doujutu's of Hell vs. Younger Son, Senju -> Light, strenght of love / lifeforce.. That's Sasuke vs. Naruto, but if they fight together; they'll both have the power of Rikudou and that's why I believe that Madara's is gonna be the final villain and Naruto / Sasuke are gonna go co- op against Madara.. ]

Damn I love this manga

[rinnebadass]

So Madara's Izanagi is perfected so well that he doesn't get the bad recoil at the cost of 1 eye? Now what he said about the bootleg version of Danzo makes sense to me. Rinnebadass thanks for explaining about Nagato mocking him, enjoyed that post.

thanks. but look.. have you read the chapter right?madara lost one eye. the left one..it seems that he is always with 2 sharingans, one (perhaps a random non-special sharingan.) is to izanagi.

KBguate32

madara's body is clearly a zetsu avatar. the thing is, is face is black. black zetsu's powers?

[Raf]

@ KBGuate32
no, I mean, I want all that, but not to spam rasen-shurikens, but that sexy jutsu of his
Izanagi Oiroke no Jutsu

edit:
okey, I really think that madara found out that you can get the rinnegan, and when he fought hashirama, he did it, but it wasn't pure rinnegan, but a close one, and he got the perfect(or not) izanagi...then he found out how you can make a real pure rinnegan and tried it on nagato...we know that sasuke awoken sharingan when itachi attacked the village, and nagato awoken rinnegan then, after madara gave him part of his power(where is RS when you need him...I don't know all that thing about yin/yang twins and all that)

Also, I think that madara has gone that far that he got the three survivers (maybe the clan was alive then, who knows) of the uzumaki clan(nagato and his parents) to the rain country, just to be sure no one will find out...

[rinnebadass]

i am starting to see a lot of stupid posts!!!!

"it looks like sharingan is only getting stronger ep after ep" -- what??????

"madara uses a perfect izanagi."-- madara lost the left sharingan!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"madara is the first path, senju the second, nagato the third etc"-- are you drunk m8?

madara is the second rikodou..nagato the third..lol

[Rlinfamous]

Madara even though he's becoming more like a Aizen at least he has a sense of humor. "Dead right?" Had me rolling, although him turning out to be Hashirama was a disappointment for me. But still pretty cool that he won the battle in the long run. Not only Naruto could be or is? Closely related to Tsunade but Nagato too? Wonder how Sasuke will top off Madara, will he take the rinnegan or perfect his own thing. I didn't understand the deal with Izanagi technique though, so why could he spam it? Or was it not answered?

He's not Hashirama, he just took his powers.

The reason he can spam Izanagi was because he possesses both the Spiritual energies of the Uchiha and the Physical energies of the Senju. It's the same thing Danzou did to enable to himself to maintain that many eyes, but Madara's is a more refined version. This is chalked up to him being more capable of controlling Hashirama's powers than Danzou, who was neither Uchiha nor an exceptional Senju (in the sense that Hashirama was).

By obtaining both the powerful energies of the Rikudou lineage (spiritual and physical), Madara became an entity similar to the Rikudou himself, although he apparently still lacked the Rinnegan until this chapter. It's still left in the dark what jutsu Madara can or can't use, and in what ways he's actually crippled... there's definitely still a trick to his body. We've yet to see his EMS or non-Sharingan techniques from him.

And to those complaining about Madara's missing limbs coming and going, he's already proven they're not only replaceable, but made from Zetsu parts to begin with. So don't bother, it's just one of the many ongoing mysteries of Madara's body, one that we've known about for some time.