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**rinnebadass** · 08-09-2010, 09:12 AM

okay..

the thing is:

rikodou was the one that wrote on that "uchiha" stone. (so far, it is manga fact)

that stone has the secrets of mangekyou and the jubi thing. (so far, it is manga fact).

question: how rikodou knew about the mangekyou powers\secrets?

answer: rikodou was able to use mangekyou's powers, or better put, rikodou's rinnegan was able to use mangekyou's powers.

why?

here goes the theory.

somehow madara and his brother discovered that by killing their best friends, they would achieve new powers.

only logical justification: they were the strongest uchiha and they trained and developed those eyes so much, that they were able to read more from that stone (young sasuke was able to read to the part that said that the new doujutsu was able to control kiuby). eventually, they read that by killing their best friends (or kill all the bonds etc), they would achieve MS.

this means that mangekyou's powers are really old and not a new thing. when sharingan is developed, it becomes "older" and closer to the "perfect rinnegan", or rinnegan level 2.

now you guys ask:

what the f*ck is rinnegan level 2 amazing and godly rinnebadass?

and i answer:

in the beginning of part 2, a pic from deva path was showed when they were going to seal ichibi. that pic clearly showed a 3 tomoed rinnegan. some you may think that it was a mistake (and perhaps it was, but not because kishi was confused between itachi and deva path, lol the eyes already have ripple patern) however i think it wasnt.

why? -it was something too big in a manga were the eyes are very important and are huge references.
- step 2

step 2: look at jubi's eye. what do you see? i see a rinnegan with nine tomoes (the perfect rinnegan. the one that was able to use mangekyou's powers too) and not jubi's ultimate sharingan. jubi is somehow in a "submissive" position. in my opinion, jubi is under the effect of rikodou's "tsukyomi" and rikodou's eyes are just like the eye that we can see in the ten-tails.

why nagato lost the tomoes:

the truth is that i have some doubts here. but i will do my best.

when nagato fought hanzou, he was able to jump, walk, and flex his legs even when he was hit. this is manga fact. however he stoped to move when he was pierced in every organ etc (you can understand why) by gedo mazo.

theory: after that fight, he trained and was developing those eyes. eventually his eye tomoes began to appear. after that, he started using gedo mazo several times 3 days in a row etc, and he was going weaker and weaker. still he had to fight for his village etc. he created pain and was becoming even more weaker etc. the tomoes disapeared.

another theories: perhaps tobi wants sasuke's ems to fuse them with the rinnegan.

tobi wants a strong sasuke and the rinnegan because he needs the rinnegan to summom gedo mazo and wants sasuke to be "sucked" by it.

this may be the moment when sasuke tries to stab tobi.

fact: even the rinnegan that we saw can counter any MS jutsu so far.

**Immortal-JyNxX** · 08-09-2010, 09:37 AM

Hope you kno Rikodou isn't 100% confirmed to be real either.. Misdirection is a motherfucker..

**rinnebadass** · 08-09-2010, 09:41 AM

and nothing is 100% confirmed. this manga can be itachi's tsukyomi in all of us. right?

**POW** · 08-09-2010, 09:54 AM

... Um the tablet has had stuff added to it over time its like a log of their history or at least the important major parts like discovering a new power.

**rinnebadass** · 08-09-2010, 09:57 AM

madara was the founder of uchiha..the "first" to awaken mangekyou. however he had to read how to achieve that somewhere...........and is secrets. this means that mangekyou was known before madara. etc etc. you understand what i mean. lol

**Afro Thunda** · 08-09-2010, 10:02 AM

It was a mistake because Kishi corrected it in the same chapter he goofed up. Back then, the Rinnegan didn't have the ripple pattern like it did in the later chapters. Hmm... Now I'm curious to see if that mistake was present in the anime as well lol.

Anyway, taking you're theory about why Nagato lost the tomoes and what I just brought up above, what could be the reason why Nagato lost the tomoes 2 pages later in the same chapter (Ch. 254)? Well that's my first issue. I'll be back to attempt some more theory busting.

PS. Madara wasn't the founder of the Uchiha clan.

**rinnebadass** · 08-09-2010, 10:08 AM

he summoed gedo mazo after that. and perhaps he was almost losing the tomoes, so when he summoed the statue, he lost them for good. (so why kishi didn't corrected that thing before selling it? that isn't a small thing in NARUTO)

but was the first to awaken mangekyou. (so they say. and that thing (how to achieve it) was already written).

any valid opinion?

**StareIntoMySharingan** · 08-13-2010, 12:56 PM

wasn't the tomoes when pain was first introduced a scanlation problem or prank or something??

**rinnebadass** · 09-02-2010, 01:34 PM

if you guys start posting in this thread i will creat one with porn.

**veLocity-** · 09-02-2010, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by rinnebadass

if you guys start posting in this thread i will creat one with porn.

How is this a threat?

Anyway, if you're basing this on the fact that Madara wants the Rinnegan, Kishi won't make Madara transfer the Rinnegan into another person or even himself. Madara is just a greedy old man, he wants what he can't get.