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    dude you're getting me all wrong.
    the fact tat naruto could control a tailed beast is fine by me, but to assume that naruto is now and all power godlike ninja just doesnt sit in too well. he needed kyuubi's chakra to become like daddy?

    Now assuming that the kyuubi IS the most powerful tailed beast, controlling it still does not make naruto THE most powerful ninja, right? if size is all that matters in this manga, the whats the purpose of skill? with these, so called 'power ups', all we're gonna see is naruto going from SS1 -> SS2 -> SS3....

    im not gonna make comparisons with sasuke her coz its not worth a dime at all. That guy is plot armored for bigger things i guess.

    so since kyuubi is uchihas and senjus toy, it makes kyuubi the most powerful tailed beast? It appears that there are clans which can be as fearsome as the senjus and uchihas...(uzumakis & the bee's clan for eg).

    lets not get carried away with history,just becoz the senjus and uchihas has the most decorated, blood stained history.

    It also appears that there are ninjas, who are supposedly stronger than these beasts... what does these make em? sage of the 5 paths? if saskuke could pinch kyuubi's chakra like its worth nothing (before he got mangekyou), it does confirm the fact that he could easily control the kyuubi too...if he wished.

    Naruto is not a one man army, and this manga has proved that in various occasions. He need his friends, wheres the fun in having and all conquering good natured ninja?

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    Big chakra, strength, and speed is just Naruto's thing. They sort of explained that with the whole Younger Brother/Elder Brother thing, where one uses strength of body and heart, and the other uses strength of eyes and spirit. And Naruto could already have become stronger than his dad using Sage Mode and a few more basic techniques. In some ways, he already was. We only saw him use his Sage techniques in one fight, against a very unique and powerful opponent.

    Don't forget that, for all his power, he's still only 16, and his mission experience is severely gimped due to spending all his time running from Akatsuki, chasing Sasuke, and training. While those things have shaped him into a very powerful Shinobi, he still needs work putting that into practice.

    With Sage Mode, he not only gained a large amount of strength/speed/chakra, but also far higher skills. That's pretty clear from his fights since then, even outside of Sage Mode. The same thing will happen here; he doesn't just rely on his power, he improves his tactics.

    Anyway, you can rest assured that Naruto's ultimate skill, "That Jutsu", will be something very unique. I'm expecting some sort of large-scale Sealing jutsu, possibly one of the Uzumaki clan's ultimate techniques. It'd be fitting that Naruto learn some technique passed down by the Rikudou (like the one he subconsciously used on the Kyuubi after mastering it), just as Sasuke's eyes provide him with powers.

    Naruto is definitely more of a one-man army than Minato! His dad could teleport around and take out some low-class ninjas, as long as he had a whole battlefield worth of Kunai to teleport to. Any S-class could have done that, it's one of his least impressive (albeit most "Flashy") accomplishments, in my book. Naruto could do the same thing, by himself, using Kagebunshins at this point. He could literally create a field of Kyuubi/Sage Kagebunshins and steamroll most of Konoha, with only people at Guy/Kakashi's level able to take the clones down. Imagine if each clone created a Giant Sage Rasengan, which appears to be the limit of their strength, accross a whole battlefield.

    And yes, the Senju and Uchiha ARE the most powerful clans, that's been explained to death, both by history considering them as such, their union literally ending the period of clan rivalries and leading to the development of a village system, and their lineage being most directly linked to the Rikudou. The reason that the Uzumaki are powerful is because they're extremely closely related to the Senju. They're essentially Senju that branched off from the main clan, at some point. They seem to have retained more of the Younger Brother's traits in their isolation, hence making better Jinchuuriki. But it's not even worth separating them from the broader name "Senju" when explaining things in terms of Elder Brother/Younger Brother, which is the founding rivalry of the ninja world and completes the legacy of the Rikudou.

    Basically: All other clans, they're the people that the Rikudou taught jutsu to. The Senju and Uchiha are the direct descendants of the Rikudou. In short, they're the clans most closely linked to the actual creator of the ninja world, and inherited some of his most powerful and unique powers, which could not be taught. And throughout the history of the ninja world, they maintained their status as the most powerful clans, with wars balanced around their rivalry. When they finally unified, it forced everyone else to do the same. Basically, whether they're fighting or teaming up, everyone else has to follow their lead.

    So yeah, Senju and Uchiha really does matter at this point. Why would you even cite Bee's clan? Bee is incredible, but his clan is desperate for powers. The Cloud Village is infamous for trying to kidnap ninjas with bloodline limits. A few examples would be Hinata and Kushina, both of who's powers derrive from either Senju or Uchiha (Kushina being Senju/Uzumaki, Hinata's Byakugan is either Senju or Uchiha, or both, I'm not sure which clan the Hyuga stem more closely from).

    Look at how the Kages, from every village, treated the name "Uchiha Madara"... the Third Mizukage asked Tobi/Madara why even bother sneaking around, when someone as powerful as Madara should be able to do whatever he wants. Only one man was ever able to fight Madara, and that was Senju Hashirama. It's the same now with Sasuke, only Naruto can fight him. A combination of fate, rivalry, and powers derrived from the Senju/Uchiha legacy has lead them to this point, and they're standing at their rightful place at the top of the ninja world.

    It was clear from day one in this manga that they'd eventually be the strongest, and it was equally clear that Sasuke's clan was a major contributing factor to his success. We just didn't know that Naruto had a similar gift, aside from the fox, but that's something we have to accept now. If it's any consolation to the people who still want to see a total loser become Number One purely through hard work, having a lot of chakra doesn't mean much if you can't use it; Naruto's done things with Rasengan and Sage Mode that his dad and Jiraiya never could have, and become a more perfect Jinchuuriki than Kushina/Bee combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    Look at how the Kages, from every village, treated the name "Uchiha Madara"... the Third Mizukage asked Tobi/Madara why even bother sneaking around, when someone as powerful as Madara should be able to do whatever he wants. Only one man was ever able to fight Madara, and that was Senju Hashirama. It's the same now with Sasuke, only Naruto can fight him. A combination of fate, rivalry, and powers derrived from the Senju/Uchiha legacy has lead them to this point, and they're standing at their rightful place at the top of the ninja world.

    It was clear from day one in this manga that they'd eventually be the strongest, and it was equally clear that Sasuke's clan was a major contributing factor to his success. We just didn't know that Naruto had a similar gift, aside from the fox, but that's something we have to accept now. If it's any consolation to the people who still want to see a total loser become Number One purely through hard work, having a lot of chakra doesn't mean much if you can't use it; Naruto's done things with Rasengan and Sage Mode that his dad and Jiraiya never could have, and become a more perfect Jinchuuriki than Kushina/Bee combined.
    It would be enough, if you had only said this.. though it was a nice read Bro. Naruto was already be destined to become the strongest of them all, but he never had the proper teachings, love and motivation from day one. How would Sasuke turned out, if his brother didn't helped him, or poked his forehead, for giving him the skills / strenght to throw Kunai's like that etc..

    - Naruto has accomplished stuff that even his previous generation couldn't do.. he only needed someone to believe in him and giving him the love that he didn't get from day one.
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    naruto grew pubs.. hence the chakra change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aga bomBa View Post
    It would be enough, if you had also said this.. though it was a nice read Bro. Naruto was already be destined to become the strongest of them all, but he never had the proper teachings, love and motivation from day one. How would Sasuke turned out, if his brother didn't helped him, or poked his forehead, for giving him the skills / strenght to throw Kunai's like that etc..

    - Naruto has accomplished stuff that even his previous generation couldn't do.. he only needed someone to believe him and giving him the love that he didn't get from day one.
    And ya know, love was a major contributing factor in most of Naruto's power-ups. He mastered Kagebunshin because he was desperate for acceptance. He nearly killed himself learning Rasengan from Jiraiya because he was so happy to have someone around who understood him; their bond was far closer, almost immediately, than Naruto's bonds with Kakashi/Iruka. Naruto developed Rasenshuriken, which his father and Kakashi could not, and his motivation was mostly his desire to save Sasuke, coupled with Kakashi's faith in him ("You're the only one who can surpass the Fourth Hokage. I truly believe that"). Naruto learned Sage Mode to avenge Jiraiya, but also because he wanted to honor Jiraiya's memory, and follow his master's example to never give up (even though Jiraiya himself was following Naruto's example, in the end!). And the Kyuubi's hatred would still have been too much, had Naruto not received his mother's love at the crucial moment, and finally accepted himself as someone worthy of love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    And ya know, love was a major contributing factor in most of Naruto's power-ups. He mastered Kagebunshin because he was desperate for acceptance. He nearly killed himself learning Rasengan from Jiraiya because he was so happy to have someone around who understood him; their bond was far closer, almost immediately, than Naruto's bonds with Kakashi/Iruka. Naruto developed Rasenshuriken, which his father and Kakashi could not, and his motivation was mostly his desire to save Sasuke, coupled with Kakashi's faith in him ("You're the only one who can surpass the Fourth Hokage. I truly believe that"). Naruto learned Sage Mode to avenge Jiraiya, but also because he wanted to honor Jiraiya's memory, and follow his master's example to never give up (even though Jiraiya himself was following Naruto's example, in the end!). And the Kyuubi's hatred would still have been too much, had Naruto not received his mother's love at the crucial moment, and finally accepted himself as someone worthy of love.

    Again Rlin, nice post and that's exactly what I meant.. he needed someone to believe in him, love him. I also want to mention that, Senju's get stronger because of Love and their strive for creating Peace. Good vs. Evil, Senju vs. Uchiha, Will of fire vs. Hatred.

    - Even Sasuke was on the right path when he teamed up with Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto, but 1. he couldn't take it that Naruto learned a far stronger jutsu then his precious Chidori, 2. he HATED him for being the one who owned Gaara and 3. Itachi coming to Konoha for capturing Naruto and saying to him; " You're wasting my time etc.. ".
    [ In his mind, Sasuke will always know that what he has done is wrong, but his emotions leaded to Hatred, and that's what made him blind.. It's ironic isn't it: Naruto was always the one who couldn't think straight and rushed his enemies, because of his emotions. And now, Sasuke is doing what Naruto did in the beginning.]

    Everyone was always saying; look how dumb Naruto is or he isn't a genius.. but you can define genius in different ways; Yes, Naruto isn't a genius like Itachi, Yondaime or even Sasuke, but what Naruto does, is unimagineable for Yondaime, Itachi and Sasuke. All of them that I mentioned as being a genius, had a family who loved them from the moment they were born, had a family who motivated and believed in their strenght.. this is the major key for someone's development. This is what Naruto never had! Naruto playing all stupid, is all because he wanted attention,.. for knowing how it feels to be appreciated or talk with. He didn't care of people were laughing at him about him being clumsy / stupid, he just wanted attention from them.

    And now, look how he has developed himself.. look what Naruto Uzumaki has achieved while having the most evil / hatred bijuu inside of him during his evolvement. In my book, I'll call him a genius for what he has accomplished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aga bomBa View Post
    Again Rlin, nice post and that's exactly what I meant.. he needed someone to believe in him, love him. I also want to mention that, Senju's get stronger because of Love and their strive for creating Peace. Good vs. Evil, Senju vs. Uchiha, Will of fire vs. Hatred.

    - Even Sasuke was on the right path when he teamed up with Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto, but 1. he couldn't take it that Naruto learned a far stronger jutsu then his precious Chidori, 2. he HATED him for being the one who owned Gaara and 3. Itachi coming to Konoha for capturing Naruto and saying to him; " You're wasting my time etc.. ".
    [ In his mind, Sasuke will always know that what he has done is wrong, but his emotions leaded to Hatred, and that's what made him blind.. It's ironic isn't it: Naruto was always the one who couldn't think straight and rushed his enemies, because of his emotions. And now, Sasuke is doing what Naruto did in the beginning.]

    Everyone was always saying; look how dumb Naruto is or he isn't a genius.. but you can define genius in different ways; Yes, Naruto isn't a genius like Itachi, Yondaime or even Sasuke, but what Naruto does, is unimagineable for Yondaime, Itachi and Sasuke. All of them that I mentioned as being a genius, had a family who loved them from the moment they were born, had a family who motivated and believed in their strenght.. this is the major key for someone's development. This is what Naruto never had! Naruto playing all stupid, is all because he wanted attention,.. for knowing how it feels to be appreciated or talk with. He didn't care of people were laughing at him about him being clumsy / stupid, he just wanted attention from them.

    And now, look how he has developed himself.. look what Naruto Uzumaki has achieved while having the most evil / hatred bijuu inside of him during his evolvement. In my book, I'll call him a genius for what he has accomplished.
    very good reading!

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    In the original Naruto series, Naruto use when asking for chakra Kyuubi friendly, he used to have abundant orange / red chakra around him, but still have control over her body and completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simdimes View Post
    In the original Naruto series, Naruto use when asking for chakra Kyuubi friendly, he used to have abundant orange / red chakra around him, but still have control over her body and completely.
    Unfortunately, the seal started to weaken, and Naruto's own mindset became more clouded by darkness (mostly due to guilt/frustration/anxiety over Sasuke). This allowed the Kyuubi to gain more influence over Naruto with it's chakra. While Naruto was able to access far more of it's power, he also accessed more of the Kyuubi's mind, and that was too much for him to handle.

    Now Naruto has full control over the Kyuubi's chakra, and absolutely none of it's mind. He's just got to learn how to make the most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous;715146[U
    ]Unfortunately, the seal started to weaken, and Naruto's own mindset became more clouded by darkness (mostly due to guilt/frustration/anxiety over Sasuke)[/U]. This allowed the Kyuubi to gain more influence over Naruto with it's chakra. While Naruto was able to access far more of it's power, he also accessed more of the Kyuubi's mind, and that was too much for him to handle.

    Now Naruto has full control over the Kyuubi's chakra, and absolutely none of it's mind. He's just got to learn how to make the most of it.
    HM ? Wasn't it mainly Jiraya's foult for toying with the seal ?

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