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    You are pretty sure, that's ok. That's an opinion and you are entitled to it.

    But the "fact" of the manga is, that it was never ever mentioned that they fought/got defeated by Hanzou. And that they are wearing Anbu clothes, and as we all know, nin arent at their strongest when they are in Anbu. Examples are:

    Itachi
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    whom both got way stronger AFTER Anbu.

    any how I rather base my opinions off facts at least thats how i am. but like i said everyone is entitled to an opinion.

    Hanzou could probably kill 'em at that point, it sure didnt seem like they wanted to fight 'em but you got to consider just how strong would they be as anbu members compared to when they were in their prime, and also how friggin old must Hanzou have been when Pain killed him.

    Not to mention we dont even know how pain killed him to begin with, so for all we know pain could've been fighting dirty.

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    Well here are the facts

    Hanzou gave them a life and death choice.......Call yourself sannins and I will not kill you

    Turn down my offer, your dead.

    Those are the facts. Occams razor, the simplest theory is the best. Your opinion has a lot of contingencies.

    Im curious, can you tell me what the hanzou scene ment to you? What i got out of it is Hanzou is f'en beast who could of killed the 3 sannins during that period (but like u said, i agree they were most likely not at there peak, but were still the best in konoho) but let them live.

    If there are two theories/opinions being offered to me, I will deduce my choice by using occams razor. Which is in principle, the best and most logical choice from the information given to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetta View Post
    Well here are the facts

    Hanzou gave them a life and death choice.......Call yourself sannins and I will not kill you

    Turn down my offer, your dead.

    Those are the facts. Occams razor, the simplest theory is the best. Your opinion has a lot of contingencies.

    Im curious, can you tell me what the hanzou scene ment to you? What i got out of it is Hanzou is f'en beast who could of killed the 3 sannins during that period (but like u said, i agree they were most likely not at there peak, but were still the best in konoho) but let them live.

    If there are two theories/opinions being offered to me, I will deduce my choice by using occams razor. Which is in principle, the best and most logical choice from the information given to us.
    I'm not gonna lie to you bro, at first I thought 'damn this guy can whoop all 3 sannins? that's crazy. And pein some how killed him? This pain guy is something serious'

    and then my sense kicked in and said....wait...

    Orochimaru killed the 3rd when he was old, and the 3rd was said to be the shitznit so maybe Pain isnt all that great as he would've fought an Old Hanzou IF they battled.

    and then it occured to me "hold on...jiraiya and them were pretty young in that pic, they probably werent as strong as they are now"

    and thus i started accepting the facts.

    yes ur fact is a truth, i agree but also its never said that they actually fought and they were also tired and beaten from surviving that other battle so it could be that they just couldnt handle 1 more uber strong person.

    right or wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by K-oz View Post
    if only the rest of these fools could see the truth of that FACT.
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    It seems to me like the Sannin had already fought several foes before fighting Hanzou, so he didn't beat them at full strength. However, the fact that Jiraiya was shocked that Hanzou was killed by a single man shows how strong Hanzou was. I think even at full strength, the Sannin would have been hard pressed to beat him. However, they have all improved since then, so that's why I think pein wouldn't be able to take on all three at once. Either way, Pein is obviously way stronger than Jiraiya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetta View Post
    Well here are the facts

    Hanzou gave them a life and death choice.......Call yourself sannins and I will not kill you

    Turn down my offer, your dead.

    they took his offer cause they were tired of fighting
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    Hanzou can take the three sannins even if they were ready to fight.
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    Here I hope this helps the discussion rather than hear everyone just make shit up.

    I personally think Hanzou would have lost the fight against the sannin if it were to have continued but we will never know since it didn't. But if Pain defeated this guy single handedly then I give him props, but a lot can happen in the time that Jiraiya was a ANBU member and then now a elite sannin...Im going to give it to Pain anyways but im going to say Jiraiya lives through it all, just a whole lot busted up, and so will Pain.
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    OK.... how after reading that chapter can u guys say that the Sannins didnt fight and lost to Hanzou? How, would Jiraya say is impossible for 1 ninja to beat him, unless THE 3 SANNINS FOUGHT THEM TOGETHER AND LOST. Is clear he was impressed that after their battle with him, they were still alive (which in my opinion is why Jiraya got pissed he "shows mercy") and decide to let them leave if they call themselves legendary.

    Also notice that Oro, being as arrogant as he is, didnt say shit when Hanzou say he would let them live... rather than Jiraya, which is always said to be similar to Naruto in his youth, a hothead and dont admit defeat. Same happened to Team 7 on chunnin exam.... sakura and sasuke knew they would get killed (and they would have) didt say anything and Naruto instead jumps in not admiting defeat.

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    well the people here talking about the age difference are contradicting themselves.
    Orochimaru was able to defeat the 3rd because the 3rd was already very old and wasn't at the top of his game, true.
    Hanzou was probably very old when Pein killed him(unless he had some sort of jutsu that keeps him young, as we have seen with many jutsus out there that make people live for quite some time,but more than likely, he doesn't)
    Hanzou defeated the 3 sannin, may not have been a direct defeat, but gave them quite a beating from what it looks like. Now the 3 sannin are young there as we can see compare to now, but is their strength really that much of a difference, what are they now, except for orochimaru who can switch bodies, they should be around 60 years old, if i am not mistaken, that is considered an old person, now now, i am not saying they are weaker now than they were before, i am just saying, there shouldn't be that much of a difference in their strength between now and their fight with Hanzo.
    So my point is, Jiraya will probably lose to Pein because he is not at the top of his game(probably when he was 30-40years old) while Pein right now is at the top of his game and he is probably even becoming stronger since he looks pretty young.
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    they wouldnt accept the title of sannin but would rather attack and kill him if they could.
    from the picture it shows that the 3 of them are worn and beat up, having used up lots of energy, fearful even and him just relaxing and laughing.

    obviously the 3 of them then were weaker than him.

    thats when they were younger though.. i would like to see them (our lovely sannins) 5 years older in the same battle. then i doubt he hanzou would beat them.

    regarding the third.. he forsake training, or so it seemed. once someone takes on the title of Hokage during peaceful times, thats them accepting that this is the highest level they will get to. they never really improve as they have all the bs paperwork, etc ~~~

    so it was a "fresh and young" orochimaru against a old and untrained 3rd.

    all of the fights so far always have an underdog. not one important fight was fought on equal terms. damn ninjas.

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