did madara defeate the 1st hokage or the other way around?

**sangar5729** · 09-15-2007, 03:38 AM

ok... i juz want to confirm it rite now.....

did madara kill the 1st hokage? i read sumwhere it said like that.
but.. chapter 370 says.... that 1st hokage defeated madara... can u people confirm which 1 is true?

**Kendoki** · 09-15-2007, 03:39 AM

The 1st killed Madara. -_-

**dark_atom_5** · 09-15-2007, 03:45 AM

they're both alive, they're trapped in the big statues

**sharingan360** · 09-15-2007, 04:08 AM

the first defeated madara thats that

**KenichiKun** · 09-15-2007, 04:13 AM

Yeh Im pretty sure the First killed Madara then he later on died in a War. Id be interesting if Kukazu was the one that killed him.

**sangar5729** · 09-15-2007, 04:28 AM

wtf? isit? the 1st defeated madara? omfg! but.. sumwhere... sumwhere i read... madara was the 1 to kill the 1st hokage... dammit... but .. how the heck the 1st died? er... kakuzu cannot kill the 1st! cuz... the 1st is more godly than kakuzu....dammit...

**staticc** · 09-15-2007, 04:37 AM

well then maybe the ist killed himself?? as you know wu di shi ji muo de? maybe he gets bored with no competitor & jump dw from the valley of end ?? =D ?

**fawad=naruto** · 09-15-2007, 02:47 PM

i think madara was fully killed the 1st defeat him but didnt kill him so he was still alive and maybe he had immortal by switching bodies and they switch bodies with tobi and he only got the left eye sharigan but its amazing how this writer tells his story i at first i thaught anyone from jounin level can kill tobi but not even pein can kill. my final point would be that he is tobi body but is madara

**Kendoki** · 09-15-2007, 04:41 AM

The 1st killed Madara.

It was never mentioned how the 1st died.

He only fought Kakuzu, and for some reason it wasn't to the death.

**Easley** · 09-15-2007, 06:28 AM

Originally Posted by Kendoki

The 1st killed Madara.

Jiraiya had a "bad feeling" when he said Madara couldn't be alive. It's almost as if he knows the official story is wrong. It's implied that Kyuubi attacked Konoha (15 years ago) because he was summoned, and Madara is the only person able to summon him. Then it cuts to a shot of Tobi on Madara's statue with sharingan activated! The connection is obvious.