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    A little enlightment on an obscure sentence.

    You certainly all have noticed how much Kishimoto enjoys putting hidden hints and weird sentences all around the pages of his manga. It might be a bit frustrating sometimes, but it contributes to making the manga's universe look deep and rich - just like the real world's history is sometimes made of thousands and thousands of synergies of events, and sometimes was forged and led by the iron fist by just a bunch of men.

    About when Naruto fought Sasuke in the valley of the end and almost got killed. Can you remember Kakashi and Pakkun looking at the two statues and saying, "it's ironic they fought there" and "their lives are strangely similar"? At that point, I can remember I was like "Who the heck are those two guys and what about that "strangely similar bullshit""?

    Well, after taking a closer look we could notice one of those two statues was the 1st Hokage's (as we saw him fighting Sarutobi under oro's jutsu during the attack of konoha) but no more. Who the second statue was - Uchiha Madara - wasn't to be easy to find out before long, and how their story was similar to Naruto's and Sasuke's was even more obscure.

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    Very little though.

    It's actually very easy to understand. Madara and the 1st Hokage - ie. respectively the founders of Uchiha Ichizoku and of Konoha no kuni - have been the closest friends for a time. We now know, thanks to the 370th chapter, that Madara apparently really is the one who consciously released the Kyuubi. Let's see, what was the deal already...

    Ah, yes. He released the demon in exchange for a small part of its power. He needed this power to fight his father, the Karasu Tengu, who had already got rid of his mother and was intending to kill him too to use his body as a container for the sake of god-knows-which-dirty-old demon-geezer plan.

    Madara, in lust for power, unleashed the Kyuubi and let the evil chakra take over his body. When the 1st learned what he had done, he considered it as a betrayal towards Konoha (which is quite logical) and there they fought in the Valley of the end, causing overwhelming damage to the surrounding areas.

    Sasuke and Naruto are pretty much the same, not exactly though. In order to kill his brother, Sasuke drowns into darkness to acquire power. He lets the cursed seal take over him and joins Orochimaru, an embodiment of evil (though, contrarily to Madara, Sasuke doesn't put Konoha in deadly danger doing that... he just joins an old enemy of it, but still this is betreyal/desertion). Naruto, on his side, is desperate by the betrayal of his friend and fights him to "get him back".

    That's what the "irony" Pakkun and Kakashi spoke of on that day was all about. Just so those of you who hadn't noticed yet can now notice. ;-)
    Last edited by Hiruko; 09-13-2007 at 02:31 PM.

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    This is a very interesting theory based loosely on facts that we know about the characters. It will be interesting to see the connection between the kyuubi and the Uchiha in the near future. I agree that the parallels that Kishi uses are important to understanding not only the characters from the past, but also the present (e.g. Sannin and team Kakashi, etc.). Nice thoughts.


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    good ideas Hiruko.ive been thinking ucihas had a connection to 9 tails ever since sasuke supressed narutos demon chakra and the whole your eyes are like madara uchiha thing. i believed that the other statue was madara.cant wait to read next chapter to find out more


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    Jesus, Mary and Joseph!!!!!
    we've already argued about this an untold number of times.
    two major flaws in your thread
    1) The other statue has NEVER been identified as Uchiha Madara
    2) You've based part of your theory on an as yet unconfirmed, unrealeased chapter.

    i don't think we need another arguement over the identity of that statue. just chill and wait for his identity to be revealed
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    Thread moved to Naruto Theories forum.


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    it has never been stated uchiha madara and the first hokage were friends...
    if you got the proof, please post the pages here

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    Ummm all that's been said about Madara is that he existed, he was powerful, and he was a fairly evil dude (and an Uchiha of course).

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    Oh boy we get to add to the Madara knowledge list!

    As it stands...

    -Sinister Chakra

    -He existed during the founding (the other statue in the valley of the end).

    -Founder of the Uchiha clan.

    -Possibly powerful enough to summon the Kyubi. (However not powerful enough to beat the first Hokage)

    That's all we know so far (I'm not confident enough to put "having MS" up there unless someone posts the page mentioning it, since there is so much of this rampant speculating going about).

    Finally, a wall decoration that looked appropriate for the scene does not mean it fits into the story. It just means the creator liked how it looked and okayed it. This does not necessarily mean it is even a part of the story.

    Please stop speculating from purely the visuals, background items, and likeness of characters. These things are a matter of style and the leniency of the creator on the artists. Please have some written word to back things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingSoze View Post
    Oh boy we get to add to the Madara knowledge list!

    As it stands...

    -Sinister Chakra

    -He existed during the founding (the other statue in the valley of the end).

    -Founder of the Uchiha clan.

    -Possibly powerful enough to summon the Kyubi. (However not powerful enough to beat the first Hokage)

    That's all we know so far (I'm not confident enough to put "having MS" up there unless someone posts the page mentioning it, since there is so much of this rampant speculating going about).

    Finally, a wall decoration that looked appropriate for the scene does not mean it fits into the story. It just means the creator liked how it looked and okayed it. This does not necessarily mean it is even a part of the story.

    Please stop speculating from purely the visuals, background items, and likeness of characters. These things are a matter of style and the leniency of the creator on the artists. Please have some written word to back things up.
    The only reason he is able to summon the kyuubi and not beat the 1st hogake is because shodia was able to supress the kyuubi's charka. If you say thats a lie, then you haven't been reading the manga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisss View Post
    The only reason he is able to summon the kyuubi and not beat the 1st hogake is because shodia was able to supress the kyuubi's charka. If you say thats a lie, then you haven't been reading the manga.
    Ummm the first Hokage was dead when the Kyuubi was summoned? So wtf?

    Not to mention the fact that Madara should be dead as well by that time.

    But yes the first would have the ability to supress Kyuubi chakara somewhat, as shown by Yamato.

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