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it is really simple of the 1st beat madara.. and that is because the 1st is one badassmotherfucker that you dont mess with. and madara tryed and got his ass handed to him
I won't get in to what MS techniques Madara had since I don't believe he had the same techniques as Itachi and Sasuke. But if he did have the same MS techniques as them, then at least for Amaterasu, the 1st could just use his Wood element or even Earth element to defend against that. Wouldn't know how the 1st got around Susano though unless he just waited until Madara exhausted his chakra.
I know the purpose of this thread. I even put the circumstances of the fight in a realistic (albeit, a very simplified) perspective. Also, I don't think anybody in this thread is doubting that the 1st won back then....
Just to play Devil's Advocate, if Tobi is lying about his identity, then anything he said about the past may be lies, too.
Everyone in the manga knows that Hashirama defeated Madara so that is a fact.
However, if Tobi is Madara then technically HAshirama didnt really defeat him...he just caused him to retreat.