Isn't the Moon's Eye Plan called the Infinite Tsukuyomi?
Isn't the Moon's Eye Plan called the Infinite Tsukuyomi?
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As you can see here. Madara's body isn't even as big as his Susanoo's eye. At that size power feats like cutting through a mountain are nothing special at all. With the Sword of Tetsuka Itachi was able to to dice up Orochimaru's Hydra easily and it towered over his Susanoo (Itachi's susanoo is maybe 30 ft)?. If it was scaled up to the size of Madara's Susanoo (which is at least 10 times that size) it would be on a totally different level because it has the Sealing technique on top of raw destructive power. Even if it just had the Sword of Tetsuka it would still be better, add the Yata Mirror and it is on different level. Madara's Susanoo has no apparent magical abilities, its just raw attack and defense.
Sasuke's Enton arrows are pretty decent but they are basically just combining two Mangekyou techniques. Also, for someone who has Amaterasu the Enton arrow is still nothing special. I really don't see any advantage of Enton arrow over Amaterasu (aside from it possibly having more piercing power but even that is questionable since there are no feats to back it up). The long range of Sasuke's arrows is also nothing special because as we have seen the Sword of Tetsuka can stretch very far (although how far it can go is unclear).
The way I see it is, if all three versions of Susanoo were to fight at the armored level (without legs). Itachi's Susanoo would win easily. The Yata Mirror would reflect all of Sasuke and Madara's Susanoo's long range attacks and the Sword of Tetsuka could simply seal them. We have already seen that a Susanoo Sword can pierce Susanoo's body as Tsunade used Madara's to do so. That means that only Itachi's Susanoo would be capable of blocking attacks from Susanoo Swords (with the Yata Mirror) and his sword is the only sword with magical sealing abilities. The Sword of Tetsuka and the Yata Mirror are clearly in a different class because they have magical abilities. Sasuke and Madara's Susanoo weapons are just big chakra weapons. My question remains why is that? I can only assume that it is because his weapons are not a natural part of Susanoo but rather ancient divine weapons that he obtained elsewhere and then equipped to his Susanoo.
Well, there are a few ways how Madara could have used the Susanoo without eyes, but if we were to take into consideration what he was saying in the previous chapter, perhaps he really did do the exact same thing that Itachi had done ? Remember the time that Itachi had implanted Amaterasu into Sasuke's eyes, even though his own eyes were already at their limit ? Remember what Madara was saying about being able to use Sasuke's eyes ? I think that he might have really done the same thing, implanting his own jutsu into Sasuke's eyes, so that it would have automatically activated under given conditions ? Though it would imply the Susanoo can be casted on any visible target just like Amaterasu.
One has to wonder if one even needs to implant the MS jutsu into a Sharingan, perhaps normal eyes would also do (the eyes transform themselves into the caster's eyes anyway), or none at all ? In that case, the eyes of the Hashirama Face on Madara's body, might have been enough for one-shot spell of Susanoo, or he might have left a marker/tattoo with it somewhere on his body before his fake Edo eyes gave out ?
If Madara was able to use Susanoo for a prolonged time or more times, I believe that he would have used it sooner (like against the sand bullets), since it really seemed like a one-shot jutsu left just in case.
The time that he was shown bitting his own arm to the blood, might have been in preparation of that, since it wasn't explained why he even did that...
I wonder if, using the Rinnegan and the black rods, Madara will use Hashirama to fight the Alliance.
Yeah I don't doubt that Kishi may have an explanation up his sleeve and it may have been purposely confusing us so he could reveal something big. Every other character seemed confused by Madara as well....
- If the idea is that one only needs to awaken the MS to obtain Susnoo and it is the manifestation of their mental energies. The 2nd Hokage did explain that the Sharingan is the result of an alteration of energy in the uchiha brains reflected in their eyes. Thus the source is their mind.
In my mind the reason why Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi are linked to Susanoo is because of what they represent.
- Amaterasu is the ultimate fire technique that seems to alter the ying/yang ratio of fire element turning it black similar to a like a bijuu bomb.
- Tsukuyomi Is one of the ultimate genjutsu that represents the spiritual world and darkness thus requires very powerful mental energies to perform
Thus both are required to be able use Susanoo which requires incredible strong mental energies to project ones chakra and the skill to shape & manipulate them. Even the not fully formed Susanoo looks like its made flames.
However tying it all back maybe it's because Madara has sage sensor abilties that can act as eyes to see that he can utilize Susanoo even without eyes. However I think there is drawback to using Susanoo without eyes....it's the same as using it with only a basic MS versus an EMS.
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I personally have no problem with eyeless Susanoo, once it has already been awakened. I can imagin that Sasuke or Itachi could summon or have summoned up their respective Susanoos even with their eyes closed.
It dawns on me that perhaps Tsukuyomi is the only technique that requires eyes after being awakened, because as a visual Genjutsu, the caster has to make visual eye to eye contact with the victim, same with rudimentary Amaterasu. However Sasuke has been able to create Amaterasu weapons for his Susanoo, without the requirement for aiming with his eyes.
So let me revisit a previous thought. The Chakra for MS comes from the brain of an Uchiha. Once awakened, Susanoo and Amaterasu (to a limited extent), can be summoned Around the body of the Uchiha casting it. Then Since Susanoo does not require focusing of the eyes, there should be a way for the Uchiha Casting Susanoo to surround himself with Susanoo even when he closes his eyes. If he can do it with eyes closed, he should also be able to do it blind. All it requires is Awakening, and Mastery.
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The eyes reflect the power, they are not the power? Well then if that were the case then why does Nagato and Kakashi have the power? Are they keys to unlock people's inner power? Basically what I'm trying to say is... Are the Senju the doorway, and the Uchiha are the key to the future?
I think Madara may be linked to at least Obito's eye via Zetsu. The chapter "Shift" has a nice split panel where Edo Madara's right Rinnegan eye (the same eye possessed by Black Zetsu) is seen right as Obito is forced to perform Rinne Tensei. It's as if, rather than Black Zetsu, it was Madara who forced Obito to preform Rinne Tensei. Perhaps there isn't even a difference, since Black Zetsu is a fragment of Madara's Will and shares a telepathic link. In essence, Madara may be able to access the powers of both Rinnegan if the Black Zetsu eye is effectively already transplanted (although I'm sure Madara would prefer to personally transplant it and would gain a benefit from doing so).