Naruto 620 Discussion / 621 Predictions

[aggeroff]

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/620

Spoiler!

Ah... this flashback has been long coming

[knife eater]

edo tensei confirmed to be cast with ability to lessen or limit the power of the summoned. sarutobi indeed fought watered down versions of hashirama and tobirama. case is finally closed!

ive been waiting for orochimaru taking the zetsu to be noticed
glad it was hadhirama because he doesn't seem too worried that oro now has mokuton at his disposal.

i am really curious what can happen even physiologically with hashi and zetsu clones in close proximity.

orochimaru is clearly playing them for fools! he took zetsu, has sasuke and hashirama in the same room.. if madara has the cursed seal then oro woild be about within the final stage of the most epic plan in all of naruto! he now has two options for each bloodline. senju, he has absorbed zetsu and edo hashi in the room. uchiha, sasuke at his side and the possible cursed seal takeover with immortal edo madara. if oro is careful he could pull it off and get all the top power to himself! all the ingredients right where he wants them. the stone tablet is almost within his reach!

wood dragon was epic and it appears to react to bijuu chakra. it became a new energy entirely when it absorbed the bijuudama and a counter being sprung from the mokuton and whalloped the susanoo!

cant wait for next week!

p.s. if uchiha brains produce special chakra at the onset of despair that results in sharingan, what sort of analog occurred for the senju? great chakra boosts at the onset of joy?

[Lakritze]

edo tensei confirmed to be cast with ability to lessen or limit the power of the summoned. sarutobi indeed fought watered down versions of hashirama and tobirama. case is finally closed!

Yes, it's closed. But I didn't think it was because Orochimaru lacked the skills. Theoretically, that could even mean that Madara is brought back at 99 % of his powers (although Kabuchimaru said Madara is now even stronger than in his prime, so I might be wrong on this one).

Orochimaru is definitely on the "soon-to-be-redeemed" list, even more so than Obito.

I fear as much. Kishi seems to plan on redeeming everyone.

I wonder, is it possible for Minato to use his speed and try something on Orochimaru ? I guess this depends wheter he needs his special kunais for the body flicker or not. If not then I would say he could possibly take Orochimaru by surprise and make some jutsu similiar to the one he performed on Tobi, when he ended his summoning contract, that would end his binding spell.

I think he does, that's why I am surprised Oro didn't at least restrict Minato's movements from the very beginning. Actually, the Kages are not the type of guys who would make such use of ET, but Minato would have the occasion so see his son kick some ass and watch his hopes - Kurama and Naruto - have come true. So Minato is as good as on his way to the battlefield.

Minato doesn't have to be a sensor ninja, remember, Naruto is pumping out so much power even non-sensors can detect it.

Exactly. I wouldn't read too much into the sensor-thing. Naruto is his son, and he sealed half of Kurama into himself, so I can accept him being able to recognize Kuruto.

Personally i think that the Naruto vs Sasuke fight, will be the last thing to happen in the manga, in a friendly environment, like the fight that Goku and Vegeta wanted in the DBZ ending, due to the fact that alot of things are revolving around Sasuke's redemption and to put the end at the Uchiha "curse".

That would also be my bet.

This chapter confirmed that yet another thing Hashirama's cells are useful for is Edo Tensei whether it's for strengthening the binding power or resisting it as Hashirama did. It's no wonder Madara and Orochimaru love the shit out of his cells, they're useful for so many things it seems.

Yes, too many, if you ask me.

[Lakritze]

Am I the only one who found it strange to look into a normal set of eyes of a super-strong shinobi (http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/620/17). ET-eyes, Naruto's Kurama-eyes, Naruto's sage-eyes, Sharingan (Kakashi, Obito, etc.), MS, EMS, Rinnegan, Byakugan, Guy's white eyes (while he is in Hachimon-Tonkou, third gate/life gate)... It's good to see that normal eyes can be helpful from time to time.

By the way: Does anyone have a good explanation, why Hashirama isn't just immune to Amaterasu (if Madara can use it, what I believe), and perhaps to Tsukyomi (if Madara can use it), but at least to Genjutsu? It was even enough to corner Pain.

[rax]

By the way: Does anyone have a good explanation, why Hashirama isn't just immune to Amaterasu (if Madara can use it, what I believe), and perhaps to Tsukyomi (if Madara can use it), but at least to Genjutsu? It was even enough to corner Pain.

Dunno about amaterasu, but it seems that Hashirama has a lot of chakra to dissipate the genjutsu.

[paulbee]

By the way: Does anyone have a good explanation, why Hashirama isn't just immune to Amaterasu (if Madara can use it, what I believe), and perhaps to Tsukyomi (if Madara can use it), but at least to Genjutsu? It was even enough to corner Pain.

Hashirama's immunity is just a guess, however...

Since the Sharingan originates from the Juubi, AND Mokuton can be used to control the Juubi (also it weakens and binds tailed beast which also originate from the Juubi), THEN it's a good guess that Hashirama's Mokuton will also weaken, dissipate, or absorb the Chakra away, from Sharingan techniques like Amaterasu.

Even if it's only a guess, it a pretty logical guess in my opinion.

[knife eater]

@lakritze, i never put into question orochimaru's skills. if my post was confusing then apologies. my point was orochimaru intentionally limited the power of hashirama and tobirama when summoned against sarutobi. it would been too dangerous to give them full power in such tight enclosed space. you do not summon "redraw the maps" type of shinobi into a cupbard! oro was ignorant of a few things then, dds for one, but he was no fool. regulating their power in the barrier was smart and who is to say that once he succeeded in defeating sarutobi as he planned, that he could not then boost their power to their natural levels once outside the barrier and in konaha village proper? that's my understanding and opinion. orochimaru had excellent skills, the dds that sealed his arms and the kages was the perfect trump and couldn't have known it.

@paulbee, zetsu's are weak because they lack a clear will to drive their capabilities. will of fire considerably affects leaf ninjas and their power. zetsu's, having no will or nothing and noone to fight for prevents all sorts of developments. i thought about your question many times after seeing the differences in mokuton behavior after obito's flashback. it takes will and motivation and feelings to develop power. strong feelings cause sharingan and the more powerful feelings become the more powerful sharingan becomes, eventually waking ms. strong will is what brought jiraya back from the dead to carry out one last heroic action, allowed ooniki tsuchikage to get back on his feet for a grand dust jutsu and is what got tsunade toe to toe with madara. of course good old fashioned training and practice is necessary but is zetsu even motivated to do that? zetsu seems to be lacking too many factors that define a shinobi especially a complete will of its own. black zetsu was but a fraction of madara's resigned will and the whites, now seemingly goofy because hashirama was goofy (illustrated past 2 chapters) ..while inheriting some signature hashirama petsonality traits, they dont have all of his personality, ideals, or anything that drives a person to become powerful. they seem to be more like tools of shinobi, ala jutsu, and not shinobi themselves. it was obito's determination and constant training that allowed him to increase mokuton ability, making zetsu a conduit of sorts. the actual hashirama splicing seems different as it behaves as a symbiotic component reflective of hashirama during a certain state of his power (sloppy reasoning) whereas zetsu is not symbiotic but instead more of a true integration. maybe symbiotic is incorrect term but orochimaru/kabuto splices are not true integrations like madara/tobi's gedou bloomed clones.

[Lakritze]

Hashirama's immunity is just a guess, however...

Since the Sharingan originates from the Juubi, AND Mokuton can be used to control the Juubi (also it weakens and binds tailed beast which also originate from the Juubi), THEN it's a good guess that Hashirama's Mokuton will also weaken, dissipate, or absorb the Chakra away, from Sharingan techniques like Amaterasu.

Even if it's only a guess, it a pretty logical guess in my opinion.

Sounds convincing. Maybe that's even part of his great chakra-reserves: He absorbs it from others and other jutsus. I was always wondering how Hashirama was able to withstand Madara AND Kurama (and their chakra-reserves). He may have great chakra, but that he has more chakra than Madara and Kurama together seems a bit too much. And absorbing chakra is an art of the Rinnegan and, thus, from the Rikudou-Sennin. So it makes sense that Hashirama had it.

That would also explain why the wood-technique is feared that much. At the very beginning, I thought it's little more than an earth-technique (when it comes to manipulating the ground), and sand seemed even more effective to me than wood. However, if it were known that wood has also chakra-absorbing-capabilities, it would be far more convincing, why it was considered so great.

That makes me wonder whether Kisame was a Senju, too (water-technique as the Tobi-brothers, great chakra-reserves and chakra-absorbing-prowess), but maybe that would stretch it a bit. But, hell, who would have Karin expected to be an Uzumaki. So why not.

[Argonar]

Lol this chapter should satisfy all those who were complaining about Hashirama's personality in the last chapter.

[Sirxxx]

The flashback to end all flashbacks, Primera: Hashirama vs. Madara! At last, it has begun.

Will we survive it...

(Flashback to end all flashbacks, Segundo: Void Century! We can always dream...)