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    Quote Originally Posted by merciless View Post
    No but i do think you don't have respect for others, first you bash peoples opinions for example you were laughing at me for saying the 1st hokage couldn't controll the beast, instead of writing a normal comment, and i don't bother going on your profile page to write, you could have see what i quoted and used your head a little, but that's expecting too much
    I laughed at you when you started flaming btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hand Banana View Post
    I laughed at you when you started flaming btw.

    i didn't start flaming, just made a comment the ''hand-banana'' way, and yeah this is offtopic

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbee View Post

    @ Artifice:

    We don't know how many coup plotters there were because it was never stated. How did you assume it was nearly all adults in the village. In the real world there are always Ring Leaders in Coups. If you stop them you can usually stop the coup.
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page011.html

    We know that nearly all members of the Uchiha clan were part of the military police force that Fugaku was the head of.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...1/page016.html
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page002.html

    When Itachi is accused of murder because he and Shisui were the only ones missing from the clan meeting. I think it is fairly safe to say that the meeting was for members of the rebellion (hence all the tension and pressure on Itachi to show up). This part certainly makes it sound as though the whole clan was involved (minus those too you young to fight such as Sasuke).

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page016.html

    Madara says that the clan came together to organize a coup d'etat, he does not say 'select members' or even 'most' or 'many'. The way he describes it implies that the clan was united in this idea.

    That isn't really the point I was getting at though, Itachi killed at least some innocent people, that is almost impossible to deny because there must have been some kids that were too young at the time. The point is that he had to kill everyone in the clan. Those were his orders and that is what the council was going to do anyway. If Itachi had just killed those capable of combat, the village would have stepped in and finished the job. Itachi was only chosen to kill his clan because he was the best person for the job. The massacre had been decided for awhile.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page014.html
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page015.html
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page005.html

    The Elders chose Itachi because they knew that by making him responsible they could prevent any blame from being placed on themselves or ANBU. Itachi saw that they were correct in this and that if he took the all the blame it would massively decrease the possibility of war. Instead of it being political genocide it would look like the act of a lone psychopath.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page007.html

    For Itachi, the Uchiha massacre was about more than just preventing the Uchiha from rebelling. That was just part of it. The whole reason why the councilors and Danzou chose Itachi and why he accepted was that it prevented any blame from being placed on the institution of Konoha and thus prevented an uprising. From what Madara said, Konoha was planning on acting first anyway but if they had done so without Itachi, it would have still likely lead to war because it would make other clans fear the village itself.

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    I am done with this having stated my opinions clearly. I have also deleted any strident sounding posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artifice View Post
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page011.html

    We know that nearly all members of the Uchiha clan were part of the military police force that Fugaku was the head of.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...1/page016.html
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page002.html

    When Itachi is accused of murder because he and Shisui were the only ones missing from the clan meeting. I think it is fairly safe to say that the meeting was for members of the rebellion (hence all the tension and pressure on Itachi to show up). This part certainly makes it sound as though the whole clan was involved (minus those too you young to fight such as Sasuke).

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page016.html

    Madara says that the clan came together to organize a coup d'etat, he does not say 'select members' or even 'most' or 'many'. The way he describes it implies that the clan was united in this idea.

    That isn't really the point I was getting at though, Itachi killed at least some innocent people, that is almost impossible to deny because there must have been some kids that were too young at the time. The point is that he had to kill everyone in the clan. Those were his orders and that is what the council was going to do anyway. If Itachi had just killed those capable of combat, the village would have stepped in and finished the job. Itachi was only chosen to kill his clan because he was the best person for the job. The massacre had been decided for awhile.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page014.html
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page015.html
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page005.html

    The Elders chose Itachi because they knew that by making him responsible they could prevent any blame from being placed on themselves or ANBU. Itachi saw that they were correct in this and that if he took the all the blame it would massively decrease the possibility of war. Instead of it being political genocide it would look like the act of a lone psychopath.

    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page007.html

    For Itachi, the Uchiha massacre was about more than just preventing the Uchiha from rebelling. That was just part of it. The whole reason why the councilors and Danzou chose Itachi and why he accepted was that it prevented any blame from being placed on the institution of Konoha and thus prevented an uprising. From what Madara said, Konoha was planning on acting first anyway but if they had done so without Itachi, it would have still likely lead to war because it would make other clans fear the village itself.
    I think Itachi could have salvaged the innocents in the same way he did with Sasuke. But that is highly debatable I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slavkovski View Post
    where do u get this from?? come on.. nobody else in the uchiha other than madara are shown to be able to control the kyuubi...
    Well,.. they were trying to create a Coup and Itachi's father was the leader of it.





    In left upper corner, Madara is saying that their eye technique can control the kyuubi, buy no one knew that it was Madara. Thats why they all accused the Uchiha's and that was all Madara's plan. Backstabbing Uchiha for letting him down 60 years ago. So, with statement, he doesn't say that he is the only one capable of controlling the kyuubi and what you need to do that, but who's says that there was no other sharingan user in the whole clan who had awakened MS, besides Itachi, Madara and Sasuke... that proof is gone bcause Itachi killed them all.

    Thats why I said that they were trying to release the kyuubi to take over Konoha, simple because it was sealed in Naruto and the tablets @ their secret meeting place, you can read that you need MS to control the beast.. exactly what Sasuke read after the massacre of the clan.




    Quote Originally Posted by paulbee View Post

    We don't know how many coup plotters there were because it was never stated. How did you assume it was nearly all adults in the village. In the real world there are always Ring Leaders in Coups. If you stop them you can usually stop the coup.


    Konoha today wants the truth of the Uchiha Massacre hidden, correct? If this is so How could they Execute Women and Children Publicly? Why make these assumptions?
    The father of Itachi was the ring leader of the coup, but if Konoha just killed the ones, they assumed to be in the coup, wouldn't played out efficiently like the massacre that Itachib brought. Konoha wouldn't knew every detail every member of the Uchiha knew, and thats why the order was to KILL THEM ALL, to prevent any risk. For example; if they didn't killed every women, but some of those women knew about the Coup, that means that they could blackmail or spread the words, how Konoha killed every uchiha who were planning on a coup. On top of that, some of those women would know that Konoha didn't approached them for any compromise and that they killed them all in SECRET!

    So, not killing women or even childer, would be wrong, because executing the whole clan was and is the best way to finish the job efficiently and quikly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stev3child View Post
    I think Itachi could have salvaged the innocents in the same way he did with Sasuke. But that is highly debatable I guess.
    I think your wrong with this one, bcause letting people live, even if it is women or children, wouldn't fit with the plan they have to execute. As I explained above to Paul, for preventing any risk, itachi had to take them all. If the other nations would've heared, how the top chiefs of Konoha works and also the people in Konoha, there would be huge problems for Konoha's standards in the politic way. Others, inside and outside the village, wouldn't trust Konoha anymore and their relationship to keep a balance with the other great nations would crumble... simple, letting survivors live in that massacre, would be the downfall of Konoha.

    Uchiha's are based on hatred, revenge and power.. they didn't thought about the innocents lives that they would have brought, if the coup was executed.
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    I also stand behind this. Well put sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aga bomBa View Post
    The father of Itachi was the ring leader of the coup, but if Konoha just killed the ones, they assumed to be in the coup, wouldn't played out efficiently like the massacre that Itachib brought. Konoha wouldn't knew every detail every member of the Uchiha knew, and thats why the order was to KILL THEM ALL, to prevent any risk. For example; if they didn't killed every women, but some of those women knew about the Coup, that means that they could blackmail or spread the words, how Konoha killed every uchiha who were planning on a coup. On top of that, some of those women would know that Konoha didn't approached them for any compromise and that they killed them all in SECRET!

    So, not killing women or even childer, would be wrong, because executing the whole clan was and is the best way to finish the job efficiently and quikly.



    Danzou is a petty, evil, conniving, weak, cowardly man. Guess that is why I think He and the like make for a better villain than Madara. I mean after Tobi, I can't just hate the guy.


    I despise Danzou and his vulture way, of picking on the remmants and scraps of a battle to further his own power, but I need someone like that in the manga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aga bomBa View Post
    I think your wrong with this one, bcause letting people live, even if it is women or children, wouldn't fit with the plan they have to execute. As I explained above to Paul, for preventing any risk, itachi had to take them all. If the other nations would've heared, how the top chiefs of Konoha works and also the people in Konoha, there would be huge problems for Konoha's standards in the politic way. Others, inside and outside the village, wouldn't trust Konoha anymore and their relationship to keep a balance with the other great nations would crumble... simple, letting survivors live in that massacre, would be the downfall of Konoha.

    Uchiha's are based on hatred, revenge and power.. they didn't thought about the innocents lives that they would have brought, if the coup was executed.
    Yeah except Sasuke. Everone else deserved to die

    Stupid Uchiha's with their damn hatred and revenge. They deserved to die. Each and every one of them. because it is a fact, 100% proven that all of them are hateful, ungrateful war mongering bastards! KILL EM ALL! FOR KONOHA ALALALALAALALA! except sasuke

    Oh and remember how Itachi took all the blame for the massacre, how would that be different if he let the innocents live? He would have still taken the blame no? Thus preventing the political fallout that you fear would have broken down Konoha.
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