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    Quote Originally Posted by Queenofmuffins View Post
    I just hear that on the news. In these sorts of cases I find it hard to comprehend that the wife is completely unaware of everything. I mean, "In a case revealed by the Herald Sun this morning, the man is accused of keeping his daughter a virtual prisoner for 11 years..."
    wouldn't you notice or suspect something? Just a little?

    I also don't believe that firing the Minister will help at all. Child services is so overworked it probably won't make a lot of difference. Sick people will keep doing sick things- you can't blame one person for them.

    Its not that the mothers are unaware in these cases they are in a deep sense of denial and have been living in denial for many years sometimes decades.

    Imagine a mother ignoring ever motherly instinct that her child is in danger and being abused. There is a great deal of complex emotions going on shame , powerlessness & guilt. In these case I think often the mother makes excuses and some how convinces her self that the child brought this on herself.

    The same thing happens at these cults where the religous leader (crazy man) convinces everyone he is the messiah or whatever then the guys become his bodygaurds and all the girls become his concubines mothers and daughters under age and all.




    I think in the end the child who suffured can recover alot better than most people think. As most assume they are going to be broken for life but if that where the case they could have commited suicide long ago. In the end I think once removed from the cycle of abuse they find a way to move on as they are truly the innocent victim in this.


    Where as the mother will always have to live with the guilt she let this happen and didnt protect her child even when she had the chance to seek help plus now the whole world knows of her shame she is exposed.

    We would all like to believe that any mother would jump thru fire to protect her child but thats simply not reality. Some mothers would risk thier lives and do anything to protect thier children. While others would abandon them to party the night away. Others simply lack courage to stand up for themselves let alone thier child.

    I think this case is the latter as this woman was probably threatened and lacked the courage to stand up to intimidation. Its sounds like a simple thing but its not as talk is cheap....
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    Quote Originally Posted by POW View Post
    Its not that the mothers are unaware in these cases they are in a deep sense of denial and have been living in denial for many years sometimes decades.

    Imagine a mother ignoring ever motherly instinct that her child is in danger and being abused. There is a great deal of complex emotions going on shame , powerlessness & guilt. In these case I think often the mother makes excuses and some how convinces her self that the child brought this on herself.
    Or, sadly, in some cases the mother supports it. I remember reading a autobiography by Toni Maguire called 'When daddy came home' where her mother knew about and didn't care about the abuse, even when her daughter became pregnant from it.

    Then there's other, more extreme cases, where they actively join in the abuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archiel View Post
    Yeah its been the case for a few of these cases where relatives were 'unaware'...i'd call bullshit as well...i don't think its the time now for shifting the blame around (besides recognising what a monster the father was) although i've read nothing but crap about the DHC for a while now...seriously there's been a few pieces including one about the locking up of an autistic kid.
    I know that case quite well- my Uncle and his fiancee have devoted their lives to caring for autistic children, and they recently started doing a little work for the DHC. They told me a little while ago how they've recently learnt how much the media distorts things- and I think this is that case you mentioned. In that case the boy is very mentally retarded, and the parents are...how to I put it nicely...total scumbugs? Basically, the DHC offered them a lot of money to hire certificated carers to take care of the boy, and he formed deep attachments to them, then the parents decided to fire the carers, cheaply hire some friends to take care of the boy and then spend most of the money on Plasma TV's, ect. The funding is only for certified carers to make sure the children are well looked after. The DHC were forced to withdraw funding, and the parents decided to just lock the boy up and blame the DHC. Of course, that doesn't make as good a story as "DHC ABANDONS CHILD", now does it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Archiel View Post
    In lighthearted news that only muffins here will get, they wont let people on top of uluru out of fear of people taking dumps on it...i dont got a link but you can find it right?
    Wut, seriously?
    ...They only way they could even get that idea is if someone had done it first... o_O

    And it's also pretty creepy that you automatically assume that I can find poop links? XD
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    Very interesting news I ran across today. It seems finally the FCC and congress is doing something to ensure net neutrality. While I completely agree with the need for regulations to protect net neutrality, I'm hoping they don't go too far and restrict practices that ISP's use to keep their networks from getting bogged down.

    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...gulations.html
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/new...ty__rules.html
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...riHWB29D-Ji_4w

    God I do love this country though, we make laws to keep the internet uncensored and free-flowing, while Australia continues to ban games for minute references to drugs, and censor their internet

    Edit: And it looks like we will have some good arguing going on as well. This makes me very, very happy. I would hate for this to pass without some good discussion first. Glad to see at least some within the Republican party still have a sane enough mind to debate and argue healthily, rather than just bitch and moan.
    http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/...ity-amendment/
    Edit2: Forgot this link: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/...-announcement/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redfuzzy View Post
    God I do love this country though, we make laws to keep the internet uncensored and free-flowing, while Australia continues to ban games for minute references to drugs, and censor their internet
    Er...How do we censor the internet? This isn't china. Yes, there are blocked sites (porn sites and myspace) at schools, but that's pretty much it. I know Kevin Rudd was trying to introduce some optional internet while ago that automatically blocks certain websites for people with young kids, but so far that's in the testing stage. The only people who have it are people who want it and don't mind being test subjects. So, yeah, the internet I use isn't censored.

    I admit as for gaming, some do get banned, which sucks. But a lot don't- they just get a rating to stop kids playing them. At least the games that get banned usually have a reason for it- e.g high impact violence, ect. The Pokemon series was banned in Saudi Arabia because "of "promoting Zionism and gambling."
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    I do apologize, that comment was uncalled for. However, Australia does not actually have a mature rating, and as such mature games do have a tough time getting through the rating system. This is as far as I know, which is just news. Like, for example, L4D2 was recently denied rating since it was too violent (or as this poster says because of the adrenaline boosts) for anything but an R18+; that rating doesn't exist. Note, too, the poster MyNameDidntFit is Australian.

    What I find odd about this, though, is that the government is actually involved in the rating process. Here we have a private orginization called the ESRB who rates our games according to their level of maturity. And then as a general rule (there is nothing enforcing it) for retailers any game that is rated AO (adult only) can not be sold; this is really hard to do, and only a slight few games have ever gotten this kiss of death rating. Also, we have an M(mature) rating where you have to be 17 or older to buy the game, and can be carded for it. Although you don't always get carded. It disturbs me that a government would be involved in the rating process at all, and even scarier that they can (and would) apparently block the introduction of a new rating. (I'm referring to a post by MNDF a few down from the first)

    Also, about the internet, er..... sorry I was a little misinformed on that. I thought everyone had the censored internet. sorry...

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    on the news of games censorship Left For Dead 2 has been refused classification because of all the killins' in it (just as redfuzzy has mentioned) basically the classification guys don't get the fact that average age of games is like late 20's

    FUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK....its another kick in the nuts for aussie gamers but what do i care in the end i'll just go to good ol cydus and play

    oh and redfuzzy what the fuck is up with ACORN now them poor bastards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redfuzzy View Post
    Very interesting news I ran across today. It seems finally the FCC and congress is doing something to ensure net neutrality. While I completely agree with the need for regulations to protect net neutrality, I'm hoping they don't go too far and restrict practices that ISP's use to keep their networks from getting bogged down.

    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...gulations.html
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/new...ty__rules.html
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...riHWB29D-Ji_4w

    God I do love this country though, we make laws to keep the internet uncensored and free-flowing, while Australia continues to ban games for minute references to drugs, and censor their internet

    Edit: And it looks like we will have some good arguing going on as well. This makes me very, very happy. I would hate for this to pass without some good discussion first. Glad to see at least some within the Republican party still have a sane enough mind to debate and argue healthily, rather than just bitch and moan.
    http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/...ity-amendment/
    Edit2: Forgot this link: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/...-announcement/
    LOL. The US expanding and protecting net use whilst the UK are talking about paying extra for content and providing protection for isp's that cut off persistant illegal downloaders.

    On the games issue, is it an actual ban of sale or a refusal to give the game a rating. Because we had this with Manhunt 2. The BBFC refused to give it certification because it felt it was wrong to expose anyone to 20+ hours of the levels of violence it was supposed to have witnessed. None of the big retailers would sell it without the rating. They went ahead and cut stuff out in the end to get the PEGI 16+ they needed. The bit that got me was did these guys actually play the game? OK I haven't but I seriously doubt that you'd have been garrotting someone every 30 seconds.

    Oh and over in the UK all 3 major political parties have now admitted that they'll have to make cuts to public spending after the next general election (Due before June 2010). Gordon Brown was dumb enough to announce in front of a couple of hundred Trade Union representatives as he begged them not to cut funding to Labour.

    Personally I'd have prefer one of them to stand up and say "We need to raise taxes in order to clear the national debt" but none of them own the necessary equipment for that to happen.
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    @Thsv,

    They have been raising taxes for decades, but as true of socialism everywhere, you can't raise enough taxes to satisfy all the "Public Needs" socialists want to fill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queenofmuffins View Post
    Er...How do we censor the internet? This isn't china. Yes, there are blocked sites (porn sites and myspace) at schools, but that's pretty much it. I know Kevin Rudd was trying to introduce some optional internet while ago that automatically blocks certain websites for people with young kids, but so far that's in the testing stage. The only people who have it are people who want it and don't mind being test subjects. So, yeah, the internet I use isn't censored.

    I admit as for gaming, some do get banned, which sucks. But a lot don't- they just get a rating to stop kids playing them. At least the games that get banned usually have a reason for it- e.g high impact violence, ect. The Pokemon series was banned in Saudi Arabia because "of "promoting Zionism and gambling."
    Large ISP's, like AT&T, can block "certain sites" for all their users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbee View Post
    @Thsv,

    They have been raising taxes for decades, but as true of socialism everywhere, you can't raise enough taxes to satisfy all the "Public Needs" socialists want to fill.
    Yeah, but my point is rather than tell people the truth that in order to maintain public services taxes will have to go up they talk about cutting waste out of public spending. What'll happen is they'll sack frontline staff. But no one is ready to admit it before a general election.
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