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    六代目火影仙人 Rokudaime Sennin ™'s Avatar
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    Naruto Revelations: Naruto is Jesus

    As we all know, kishi has a unique and interesting way to include various mythologies from Japanese religions into his manga. For example, his use of the three gods from shinto religion Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo, and also his use of the samsara's 6 spoked wheel from buddhism, represented by the six paths, God realm, human realm, demon realm, hungry ghost realm, animal realm, and hell realm. This thread delves into the possibility that kishi's also using Christian dogma but to a much greater extent as it is underpins the roles of many of the important characters.

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    As you can see in the pic above, Naruto has combined his sage mode along with kyubi chakra. His eyes have changed accordingly, the horizontal line from the sage mode, along with the longer vertical line from kyubi chakra, come together to form a true cross. This implies that Naruto is Jesus. Of course he can walk on water right?

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    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/402/17/

    If you look at Sasuke's mangekyou sharingan, it clearly resembles the jewish star of david. That would make Sasuke a jew, and Naruto being Jesus, one would come to the conclusion that Sasuke will be responsible for Naruto's death. Actually No, since we all know that there's no chance of Naruto dying in this manga, this cannot be, so what is the true meaning behind this?

    Let me tell you the story all the way back from the beginning of konoha's founding, Madara style. Now everything doesn't follow true historical accounts as timelines are off and many of the important characters have a dual role in this manga. That's because kishi likes to add his own touches to any mythology he uses.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/398/17/

    Before there were any ninja villages, there used to be dozens, if not hundreds of clans fighting for power and to rule over the others. These clans represent many of the jewish tribes a couple centuries before the birth of christ, who were fighting each other and outside forces. The uchiha and Senju are both jewish. They combine forces to form what becomes the fire nation (Israel), and settle in a village called konoha, which represents Jerusalem. The leader they choose is Hashirama who is representing king solomon. Madara, the leader of the other faction is said to be killed by hashirama but his fate remains unknown. Madara, prior to becoming the leader of the uchihas had made a pact with the devil, when he gained the eternal mangekyou sharingan, Madara sold his soul which gave him the ability to prolong his life. Madara isn't exactly satan, but he's heavily influenced by him, as he keeps popping up throughout different times to set off certain chain of events.

    Fast forward to Madara unleashing the kyubi on konoha 16 years ago. This was confirmed by Minato.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/10/

    The senjus are no longer jews because after witnessing the miracles of the yellow flash, they start to believe that he is their messiah, thus they can now be called christians. Minato was the first coming of Jesus. He sacrificed his life for the sins of konoha. As you can see Madara has multiple roles to play, he now represents the head priest of the jews (uchihas) who was indirectly responsible for Minato's (Jesus) death. For this reason the hatred towards uchihas is immense. Every one believes that the uchihas are a cursed clan and must be wiped off the face of the earth, they are resented for the power they possess, the mangekyou sharigan. Every1 throughtout modern history has hatred towards the jews, either for no apparent reason or cause of the fact that they controlled many of the powerful banks and industry which were integral to people's lives and therefore whoever had control had power. The uchihas are the scum of the ninja world, much like the jews are referred to as the scum of the earth.

    Then comes along Itachi, a self hating Jew who wipes off most of the jews off the earth. Itachi represents hitler who killed 6 million people, hitler was thought to be jewish who couldn't stand his own heritage. Sry Itachi fans. Bear with me.

    Jiraiya plays the role of John the baptist, the mentor to Jesus, (minato & naruto)

    All of the recent events that have taken place are leading up to a war to end all wars meaning Armageddon. As the angels blow their trumpets, different parts of the prophecy begin to unfold until everything is ready for Jesus's arrival. The bijuu represent the multiple headed demons that are unleashed upon the world after the first trumpet blows, but instead of multiple heads, kishi made it into multiple tails.

    Now fast forward to the present. Naruto (second Jesus) has multiple tasks he must accomplish, his first job is to keep the demon fox in check, just as the forces of good working for Jesus will defeat the demons. There's a 4th ninja war brewing, (armageddon) which Naruto must win before he can continue on to final tasks.
    Naruto as the second coming of Jesus, has to bring the shinobi world to salvation and Sasuke, who is naruto's rival, representing the anti-christ is a pawn of Madara (who's working for satan) and is hellbent on destruction and stopping Naruto from accomplishing his goal. Sasuke who is Madara's descendant is akin to the jews living in Israel today. The book of revelations states that this time, Jesus will not be as merciful, and will only allow those who believe in him, the passage to his heavenly kingdom. All jews who don't believe will go to hell. Sasuke who is on a path that will clash against Naruto pretty soon must make a choice, he either has to redeem himself by asking for Naruto's forgiveness or he'll be defeated and most likely killed by Naruto.

    Prior to the apocalypse, the four horsemen were released upon the ninja world. These horsemen are represented by none other than Itachi, Oro, Kabuchimaru, and Nagato.

    Itachi symbolizes the horseman of war, as he controls Susanoo, the god of war. How ironic, the horseman of war who hates war.

    Oro symbolizes the horseman of famine, as he loots, destroys, causes chaos for his own pleasure.

    kabuchimaru symbolizes the horseman of pestilence, well cause he's a fuckin pest who won't die. seriously i hate kabuto.

    Nagato symbolizes the most powerful and most feared horseman. The 4th horseman called death, aka the grim reaper. Seriously look at him, he's only a few more weeks away without food from looking exactly like the grim reaper. According to the book of revelations, the 4th horseman also brings along his friend, the 5th horseman from hell. This is the king of hell enma which Nagato controls and uses to bring dead corpses back to life to do his bidding.

    Nagato also has a dual role, he's not only the 4th horseman, but he also represents the false prophet that will rise up along with the anti-christ. Nagato was thought to be the chosen one who will usher in an era of peace, but we all know that Naruto is the real chosen one.

    The 4 horseman aren't necessarily evil, they're doing what they love to do, but they're all part of god's plans.

    Summary: Naruto is compassionate, merciful, and cross-eyed, all qualities that Jesus possesses. And he is learning how to forgive, when he finally forgives Nagato, something that Jesus preached. But when the time comes, even this kind hearted Naruto will kick ass. He is the one who must stop Sasuke, then after he defeats Sasuke, he can either save him or kill him. But that choice will be up to Sasuke if he's willing to redeem himself.

    You all can lol, or discuss the serious religious connotations behind this thread. But plz do respond. If ya got some more cool ideas about this, add to it, i'll edit later

    Important note: I'm not anti-semitic, sincerely sorry if i offended any1, jewish or christian alike, this was just a fun thread along with some interesting tidbits, i know it's not as epic as one of gameboy's threads, but I tried. I'm gonna go post it on Narutofan forums and piss off some hardcore sasuke fans, lol
    Last edited by Rokudaime Sennin ™; 04-22-2009 at 12:30 PM.
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    One Piece

    I voted yes... Just cause..

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    Smile

    As far as I think, the whole concept of martyrium, is what defines each character in Naruto. Each of them are ready to die for their cause, just for the sake of their beliefs. It might not be 'religious', but beliefs nontheless.

    Oh, and first post!

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    Kishi may have used christian (or other symbols) but I don't think they represent Christianity or other religions. Maybe he just had trouble coming up with his own. Same goes for the story.
    And if we go into detail, Sasuke's sharingan always reminded me of the atom model:



    and not the star of David.

    Oh, and please don't call Itachi a self hating Jew o.o

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    Everyone I've shown it too has, independently, said, "Why is Sasuke's Sharingan an atom?" Dunno about this Star of David view, but it's interesting and new.

    It'll all come down to whether Naruto's love for Sasuke can save Konoha from his counter-racist Amaterasu holocaust vengeance, while saving Sasuke's life at the same time.

    The religion ties are a little out-there, though. I mean, Jesus was a Jew, so Naruto and Sasuke are both Jews, fighting on different sides: Sasuke for his vengeance, and Naruto for his love.

    Naruto: his Kagebunshins died to save Sasuke from his sins!

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    Maybe you're going a bit far with this 'reference'?

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    WOW!
    At first, I just thought "What the ..?", but after reading this:
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    It really makes sense in some ways. Good job on pointing that out

    Quote Originally Posted by Rlinfamous View Post
    The religion ties are a little out-there, though. I mean, Jesus was a Jew, so Naruto and Sasuke are both Jews, fighting on different sides: Sasuke for his vengeance, and Naruto for his love.
    Wouldn't this mean that Itachi is Jesus, because he fought his own kind.

    But I'm not into religion that much anyway.
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    Jesus didn't outright 'fight', per say... damn, this discussion could go in bad directions. Why are we bringing Jewish/Christian religion into a Japanese manga? I just don't think it's there. It could be fun to try and come up with new and clever ways to continue "finding" similarities, though.

    Madara killed his brother (albeit indirectly), it's like Cain and Abel!

    Sasuke is like Moses, he's trying to free his prosecuted people from their captors... except they're dead. But the principle remains.

    Orochimaru is like the snake from the Adam and Eve story, leading Sasuke (Adam) to temptation. Obviously a religious connotation to him being a snake; it's not about the cycle of rebirth, it's about Biblical parables.

    Naruto had the Kyuubi placed in his belly by a God (Fourth's Death God jutsu). It's the immaculate conception! Kyuubi-Jesus!
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    u have way too much free time on ur hands lol. But great observation though

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    I wonder how naruto's version of the last supper would look like, and who would be at the table lol

    "I don't care who does it but they better include tobi" lol

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