No I dont, all stories can be related to each other in one way or another. Its probably best to find what makes each story different than to spend time making weird connections. Thats my 2 cents XD
lol dude you took my observation and went to mars with it lol but its well researched and actually makes sense to an extent lol
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Kishimoto actually used references when making Naruto? Holy crap.
This was cool xD. It is similar, and that is one thing Naruto has with so many other works of fiction. DBZ, Bleach, Cristianity, Buddism, pop culture referencing, and other things. Maybe we should make a "Find as much comparisons with other things to Naruto" thread. I remember I made an Itachi/Frieza one, and others made DBZ ones aswell. Now we got the religious references. So now I say: What else?
I can't see any correlation with Naruto with Jesus.
Jesus died on the cross, and gathered followers because he was the predicted saviour of the world. Naruto hasn't died as yet, so to say that it has a Christian theme is extremely far fetched.
Christianity's pivotal point is the Cross. That Jesus rose again from the dead, and his blood washes away our sins so that we can be forgiven.
And also Jesus taught in the Synagogues as a kid, Naruto is just being a kid when he was a kid.
And the whole walking on water... nah....
It's all wrong on the Theology side of things, Philosophically there are a lot similarities. Because they both attempt to tackle Human Fallibility, however the solution so far seems distant from each other.
This is what literary criticism and analysis is about, finding themes and symbols and then drawing connections with them in ways that aren't immediately obvious (even to the original author). That said, overt allegorical meaning behind identifiable symbols in this particular manga stretches credibility beyond the plausible. If Kishimoto has any religion to him, it is almost certainly a sort of agnostic syncretism, like most modern Japanese - in other words, he doesn't have anything to say one way or another in the argument for or against the existence of God or the tenets of Christianity, but he may find certain of the implicit and explicit tenets of Christianity to be useful or appealing in constructing the morality of his characters. Its sort of the opposite of what Hideaki Anno did in Evangelion with all of the explicitly Christian imagery that ultimately wasn't symbolic of anything - the imagery probably isn't there, but maybe some of the meaning is.
So, no - I don't think any of the symbols the original poster identified are meaningful in the way he thinks they are, but I also don't think he's wrong in identifying the underlying morality of the series as having some Christian undertones. Aside from writing "children's books," J.R.R. Tolkien was also something of a literary theorist and Christian apologist. Arguing from the assumption of the truth of the Christian religion (specifically orthodox Catholicism), he posited that all stories and myths everywhere, regardless of the cultural context, ultimately reflect on a sort of universal "fairy story" of creation, fallen man, and his ultimate redemption ("fairy story" doesn't imply it being impossible or untrue, but rather that the story is fantastical in nature occurring beyond the limited scope of the mundane). Even cultures with myths superficially similar to the Judeo-Christian picture of reality anticipated, at an almost sub-conscious or instinctive level, the true story of God's relationship with his creation as told by various prophets and apostles. Your mileage may vary, of course, but what he was arguing was that attempting to depict universal issues such as good and evil intrinsically reflects on a kind of universal-archetype that transcends cultures and undermines artificial social constructions, because Truth is Immutable and all people everywhere yearn for it. I haven't done a great job of conveying Tolkien's meaning here, but I'm just pointing out that there is such a school of thought which supports some of your claims about meaning in this manga. Other writers who cover similar topics are C.S. Lewis in his Mere Christianity (though the theological underpinnings of that one are, by Lewis' own admission, a little shaky) and G.K. Chesterton in The Everlasting Man (I highly recommend *anything* by Chesterton - if nothing else, this was a man who knew how to make his readers laugh).
Of course, Postmodernists and Deconstructionists call "bullsh*t" on all of this. They would call this kind of reading of themes and images to be an imposition of one's own cultural and moral context onto the author's work, and nothing more. They wouldn't disagree with you, because meaning is relative when it is not totally inscrutable - if anything, they might describe this kind of analysis to be partially deconstructionist. As I said before, your mileage may vary. I personally disagree with a lot of Jacques Derridas' assumptions about what a critic can and can't do with a text, but Deconstructionist theory holds a lot of currency in modern academia.
...so what were we talking about again?
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I'll grant the Messianic aspect of Naruto, but I doubt Kishimoto had Jesus in mind. The same messiah theme can be found in almost every Shonen Manga including DBZ.
If Kishi were actually modeling Naruto as a type of Jesus, then putting a Demon inside him would be the height of fail.
By the way Revelations does not portray the Jews going to hell en mas, I think it actually foretells mass salvation as they come to recognise their Messiah for who he is.
I really think Kishi's just having fun telling stories and making a whole bunch of money.
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As for the ressurection that MAY be portayed IF the kyuubi gets extracted from Naruto and he gets up to live again like Gaara.
Its not that the lifes of Jesus are supposed to be the same just on a parallel path. Jesus spoke and was guided by the voice of God, not God him/herself, just like Jiraiya and Kakashi were the guides for Naruto. It's not exact or to be looked at exact, yet you have to give credit to the similarities