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**Afro Thunda** · 09-25-2009, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by ·Rokudaime Sennin· ™

You mean, mokuton, houton, youton, I would say no. Unless he learned kagebunshins, or if the paths could each use an element, then maybe yea. Even then he would be combining elements, don't think that's considered fusion of elements. Elemental fusion is basically combining the elements before the chakra is molded. Crap I'm confusing myself now, I'm gonna have to reread the haku chapters, and think about this. maybe afro can help. Afro, answer me this, why exactly can't Naruto create elemental fusion if his clones were to pour in 2 different elemental chakra at the same time like they do with the wind to the regular chakra?

But Nagato could definitely use kirin, fire dragons, fuutonrasenshuriken if he were ever able to learn them.

Being able to combine 2 elements (Water+Earth, Water+Wind for example) to create a completely new one (Wood and Ice, respectively) is what's a considered a Bloodline Limit (aside from Dojutsus and other freaky abilities) in the Narutoverse. This would be "Elemental Fusion".

Naruto doesn't have the Bloodline Limit to create Ice or Wood. So the reason is simply, Naruto just doesn't have the genetic capability to execute such a technique. Not even with his clones could he fuse 2 elements to make a new one like Ice or Wood.

But, while Naruto can't combine 2 elements to make a new one, he could combine 2 elements (assuming he gets a second element) to bolster the effects of a technique though, like what he did with Yamato when they countered Kakuzu's technique.

**Rokudaime Sennin ™** · 09-25-2009, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by afro thunda

Being able to combine 2 elements (Water+Earth, Water+Wind for example) to create a completely new one (Wood and Ice, respectively) is what's a considered a Bloodline Limit (aside from Dojutsus and other freaky abilities) in the Narutoverse. This would be "Elemental Fusion".
Naruto doesn't have the Bloodline Limit to create Ice or Wood. So the reason is simply, Naruto just doesn't have the genetic capability to execute such a technique. Not even with his clones could he fuse 2 elements to make a new one like Ice or Wood.
But, while Naruto can't combine 2 elements to make a new one, he could combine 2 elements (assuming he gets a second element) to bolster the effects of a technique though, like what he did with Yamato when they countered Kakuzu's technique.

ok, I know all that, but you missed the heart of the question. It is easy to say their bloodline allowed them to do it, but what was in the bloodline that allowed them to do this. First off few facts we know.

Chakra is composed of 2 types of energies yin/yang. One can recompose the regular chakra created with those 2 energies and give them elemental properties making it elemental chakra. And one manipulates the regular chakra or elemental chakra to create jutsus.

Mokuton (wood) = earth + water
youton (lava) = earth + fire
Houton (Ice) = wind + water

So far we saw Sarutobi take the earth and combine it with water to make mud. Or yamato & Naruto combine water with wind to create a typhoon. But Hashirama could take that same earth/water to make wood by fusing the elements somehow cause of his bloodline. And Haku could take that same wind/water to make ice cause of his kekkeigenkai. So I'm wondering what exactly is it in their kekkeigenkais that makes it possible for them to fuse the elements instead of merely combining them. What exactly constitues fusion of the elements?

We have seen yamato, along with using the earth + water to create mokuton, also use the 2 elements separately to create an earth mound + waterfall. So he can still manipulate the 2 elements separately to create earth or water jutsus, what exactly is his kekkeigenkai allowing him to do that makes it possible for him to create wood?

I always thought that haku/yamato's kekkeigenkais allowed them to recompose 2 different elements within their body simultaneously, one within each arm and this is what allowed them to create the fusion jutsus. Unlike Sarutobi who would've had to recompose earth element first, use it, then recompose water element and then use that right after to make combination jutsus. It is the ability to recompose 2 elements simultaneously that creates fusion, and I always thought that was what kekkeigenkai allows.

An example, let's say kakashi had wind + water, kakashi would only be able to recompose one of those elements within his body at a time, by the time he releases water element to recompose wind, it would become separate elements and unable to fuse but rather combine after being released from his body. Cause he would be unable to recompose both at the same time and release simultaneously. On the other hand, haku would be able to do exactly just that, recompose both elements and release simultaneously to create a fusion element Ice. Meaning haku has the ability to hold 2 types of recomposed chakra in his body, something a normal ninja like kakashi would not be able to. And upon the exactly timed release of both elements, they become one new element.

Let me rephrase my question in other words, what creates the fusion, is it the release of those elements together, or some other unknown process that creates it? Cause if it's the former, I don't see why Naruto couldn't do the same thing with 2 clones recomposing 2 separate elements and then adding them together to create a new element and he takes control of that new fused element. Do the elements have to be fused first internally before they're released? kinda like Ice chakra, so instead of needing wind + water chakra to create ice jutsus directly, you would need to use wind + water to create ice chakra first then use that to create ice jutsus.

See what I mean, if wind + water created ice jutsus, that's something Naruto possibly could do, but if ice chakra created ice jutsus then that's something only the kekkeigenkai could do. But then the question still remains, why can't Naruto create that ice chakra externally instead of haku creating it internally. What is the mechanism of creating that ice chakra? or do we have no explanation so far?

**Masgrande** · 09-25-2009, 07:30 AM

Pretty straightforward question, have they revealed any of the current kages names and if they did where do you find them in the manga?

**Rokudaime Sennin ™** · 09-25-2009, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Masgrande

Pretty straightforward question, have they revealed any of the current kages names and if they did where do you find them in the manga?

Danzou/Tsunade Senju & Gaara of the desert is all we know so far.

**kuroihikari** · 09-25-2009, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Masgrande

Pretty straightforward question, have they revealed any of the current kages names and if they did where do you find them in the manga?

Mizukage is Uzumaki Kushina.

I kid I kid!

**Rokudaime Sennin ™** · 09-25-2009, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by kuroihikari

Mizukage is Uzumaki Kushina.

spoiler alert, spoiler alert

we always wondered what happened to kushina, she was the mizukage for all these years. heh

What Is Ranton? Is it a kekkeigenkai as well?

**Dark Wyvern** · 09-28-2009, 05:47 PM

According to Naruto Wiki, Ranton is said to be "Storm Release", and they speculate its a fusion of water and lightning. Possibly Kekkei Genkai, possibly just another variation like Mud.

Edit: info on the kanji also points out for it to be "Storm"
http://kanjidict.stc.cx/search?skanji=%E5%B5%90