Well most of you pointed that Minato maybe is the fastest shinobi we know so far.Still you can't win a battle with speed only.
he was probably faster than itachi, making him faster than everybody >:]
base speed + shunshin of course
True, you can't win a battle with speed alone, when Susanoo is protecting Itachi. They're about equals in strength, however Minato has an edge over Itachi, I would say 54% Minato - 46% Itachi, either one of em can win tho depending on how the fight goes and what knowledge Minato has of Itachi's jutsus. Danzou had knowledge of all 3 jutsus, who knows if he ever relayed that info to the hokage. (and had Minato been alive)
Itachi's biggest problem going in the fight would be his chakra, that's always been the problem for him, followed by the degrading vision. EMS Sasuke would fare better against Minato than Mangekyou Itachi, that is if he has gained the spiritual weapons and betters his Tsukuyomi skills.
When Hashirama started fighting Madara, the uchiha brothers both had Mangekyou at the time. Madara wouldn't have been as capable with his Tsukuyomi at Itachi was with his mainly because Itachi was a genjutsu specialist. Madara's level of skill with Tsukuyomi would've started out just as Sasuke. And his repeated use of it against Hashirama, starting with the weakest version while getting stronger with the EMS, would've given Shodai the opportunity to either create a counter against it, build up a tolerance to it, or just outright endure it because of the physical energies.
All hokages have some sort of genjutsu counter/training to begin with. Hashirama/Tobirama/Tsunade being senjus would be better at enduring the Tsukuyomis, but Sarutobi and Minato would've had to resort to other means like not getting caught to begin with. If Minato got caught in Itachi's Tsukuyomi, it could prove very devastating for him, kinda like kakashi, but he still might have a chance to teleport away and save himself if he could resist it even for a moment. He can evade Amaterasu much like the Raikage did, and Susanoo wouldn't be a problem for Minato at all, unless Minato came up close and tried to attack. Minato would just have to play the waiting game against Itachi's Susanoo, and Itachi would be in hell of a lot of trouble if he got marked by Minato.
And I'm not sure anymore that Minato's yellow flash moniker is due to the Hiraishin. Hiraishin seems like a summoning technique, with the clouds appearing/dissipating when he teleports.
If you look at the example I gave earlier, when Minato saved Kushina from the kyubi's strike, there was a yellow flash, even Madara made a reference to it. The flash is due to his hair in a speed blur when he shunshins. Now, it's pretty safe to assume there wasn't a marker on top of that tree. Minato Hiraishined to Kushina because the marker is built into her jinchuriki seal, picked her up while the kyubi's paw was in the air coming down full force, and got out of there before it struck the rock. For Minato to get to the top of that tree on that cliff using Hiraishin, he would've needed either of the 3 things. one, a marker placed there already, two, he could've thrown Kushina high up in the air towards the tree on the cliff, then Hiraishined to her, catching her again, I highly doubt he threw his wife like that, or three, he would've had to throw a kunai up there while he was holding his wife, and then teleport to the kunai, that didn't happen either. What Minato most likely did was Hiraishin to Kushina cause of the builtin seal, then shunshin str8 forward on top of the first tree, then shunshin jump to the second tree on top of the cliff. All this before the kyubi paw struck the ground, that is the fastest shunshin speed in the manga ever, that's why he was called the yellow flash cause of the blur he leaves behind due to pure speed. The yellow flash has nothing to do with Hiraishin.
There's 3 levels to Minato's speed. Base, when it's just the physical body at work (taijutsu), as was shown when he caught Naruto in the air before Madara's kunai struck. Then even faster is the shunshin (jutsu), which is what causes the yellow flash, as was displayed when he rescued kushina from the kyubi, then even faster is the Hiraishin, which is instantaneous as Minato displayed against Madara, teleporting before being warped or teleporting mid-attack, to behind Madara and then catching the kunai in one hand, hitting Madara with the rasengan with the other.
Last edited by Rokudaime Sennin ™; 07-19-2010 at 06:47 PM.
If he got marked by Minato then it's already over for Itachi.But knowing him,he probably will use crow bunshins.Itachi is tricky as well.I didn't point Itachi using Amaterasu,because we already knew the outcome(Sasuke vs Raikage) and Susano most of the time will be for defence and Itachi probably will make only one attack with the weapons if he knows that he won't miss the target.Well all we can do is speculate how the fight will go on between these two great shinobis of Konoha.Case closed?
Itachi's best chance against yondaime is catching him in a full onslaught of the worst Tsukuyomi possible. Ok, every1 really likes to point to Itachi's skilled use of karasubunshins. Now what would happen if Minato used Kagebunshins? Before you say no, let me say something first.
Sarutobi taught Jiraiya, who taught Nagato and then Minato, who taught Kakashi, who taught Naruto who taught Konohamaru. Sarutobi, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto, Konohamaru all can use kagebunshins, some more efficiently depending on their chakra levels. Do you doubt Minato learned kagebunshins as well? What would happen if he used kagebunshins with shunshin/hiraishin combos? Better question, wtf would happen if a healthy Nagato used kagebunshins? We know Nagato at age ten learned all of Jiraiya's techniques, when he destroyed one of Jiraiya's kagebunshins with the fuuton. Instead of 6 paths each limited in their scope of power to the path's ability, now imagine 6 rinnegan wielding Nagato kagebunshins each capable of using all the powers of the 7 paths. And you know he's got the chakra to spare to create some powerful kagebunshins.
*sigh* Thing is you've all placed Mangekyou jutsus on such a high pedestal, much like what you did with the kyubi, don't blame ya, that's what it was most of the first 400 chapters. some of you still do not understand the full powers of the Mangekyou/Rinnegan and their relationship to each other and senjus/uzumakis. Btw, the spiritual weapons are not part of Susanoo's inherent ability, Madara's Susanoo would be without em, same goes for Izuna, and Sasuke. Only Itachi's Susanoo was special, up until Sasuke's EMS, if he does acquire them.
Sorry I don't see how Minato will gain the upper hand from kagebushins.First I highly doubt it's in his fighting style,second if he is going to make advanced bunshins like Naruto,then his chakra reserve will be rapidly drain and also will make him unable to use shunshin or/and hirashin.
About that part I can say if Nagato had the Jyuubi in himself he'd probably could do it.Sarutobi taught Jiraiya, who taught Nagato and then Minato, who taught Kakashi, who taught Naruto who taught Konohamaru. Sarutobi, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto, Konohamaru all can use kagebunshins, some more efficiently depending on their chakra levels. Do you doubt Minato learned kagebunshins as well? What would happen if he used kagebunshins with shunshin/hiraishin combos? Better question, wtf would happen if a healthy Nagato used kagebunshins? We know Nagato at age ten learned all of Jiraiya's techniques, when he destroyed one of Jiraiya's kagebunshins with the fuuton. Instead of 6 paths each limited in their scope of power to the path's ability, now imagine 6 rinnegan wielding Nagato kagebunshins each capable of using all the powers of the 7 paths. And you know he's got the chakra to spare to create some powerful kagebunshins.
Well the real fight will be determined in max 1 min and so.Man we really can only speculate the how the fight will go on between them,because of their abilities.I'm just sticking that Itachi is the winner.I like Minato but he failed to protect Kushina from Tobi.Well Itachi had an half success with Sasuke,but he managed to keep him alive from the elders and almost from "Madara"'s hands.Itachi's best chance against yondaime is catching him in a full onslaught of the worst Tsukuyomi possible.
Nagato would need the jyubi's chakra to create 6 kagebunshins? Did you just say that? Seriously? Chou Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei, Gedou Rinne Tensei all require less chakra than 6 kagebunshins? I didn't say all 6 of the kagebunshins would be using chibaku Tenseis of their own, but they would have the capability to, you forget that Nagato has other jutsus in his aresenal as well, his mastery of elemental jutsus, that alone should suffice, along with preta's ability to absorb all ninjutsu and the soul sucker, what if you had 6 soul suckers coming towards you from each direction, what would u do?
Bad analogy, Minato had to protect his wife and son. His wife would've wanted him to save the son first, no matter. Itachi didn't really have to protect Sasuke from Tobi's space/time jutsu.
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