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    Well most of you pointed that Minato maybe is the fastest shinobi we know so far.Still you can't win a battle with speed only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yondaime123 View Post
    Well most of you pointed that Minato maybe is the fastest shinobi we know so far.Still you can't win a battle with speed only.
    No you can't but if you add some brains,rasengan,a couple of sealing techs from Uzumaki clan then you got yourself a possible winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ·Rokudaime Sennin· ™ View Post
    can we get Minato's databook stats? cause I don't think he has em yet. What do you think his speed will be listed as? The difference between two fives in speed can still be quite a bit, much like the difference between two fives in chakra levels like Jiraiya and Naruto. Sure Itachi is a 5 stat, Minato would be too, but Minato's base speed with shunshin is the fastest in the manga so far.

    second feat was Minato taking kushina from under Kyubi's paw before it hit, and moving to the top of the tree on top of the cliff. I don't think there was a marker already there on top of that cliff, that was pure shunshin. There was a marker on Kushina's body, he hiraishined to her, after that it was pure speed of his own to pick her up, and get to the top of the tree before the kyubi's paw hit.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/501/13/
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    If any1's exaggerating some1's speed, it is you guys with Itachi's speed which was more comparable to Sasuke's speed now with EMS which would be a 5 too, but still nowhere near Minato or Raikage level.

    Let me explain one more time.

    Itachi, EMS Sasuke, Kyubi-Sage mode Naruto, Hermit mode Jiraiya, Gai, Minato, Raikage are all fives in speed.

    Itachi, EMS Sasuke speed would've been equal, yes you can say Itachi's degraded vision would've hindered his speed feats, but Sasuke will be about the same now as Itachi's would've been. Hermit mode Jiraiya is slightly faster, kyubi sage mode Naruto even more faster, Gai prolly comparable to Sage mode Naruto, Minato's faster with his shunshin, Gai would exceed that with 5 or more gates, Raikage is equal to Minato's base shunshin speed, Raikage surpasses Minato's shunshin when he has his raiton armor shroud, and Minato surpasses them all with his Hiraishin/Shunshin combos. As of now Minato is the fastest character in the manga, Gai can surpass that if he gets 8 gates, but difference is Minato doesn't die for his speed.
    you sure? i mean sure, he was called the yellow flash, probably because of his space/time technique, but shisui uchiha also had a reputation. shisui's reputation was specifically, for his shunshin

    he was probably faster than itachi, making him faster than everybody >:]

    base speed + shunshin of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yondaime123 View Post
    Well most of you pointed that Minato maybe is the fastest shinobi we know so far.Still you can't win a battle with speed only.
    Base speed without death, yes he is the fastest.

    True, you can't win a battle with speed alone, when Susanoo is protecting Itachi. They're about equals in strength, however Minato has an edge over Itachi, I would say 54% Minato - 46% Itachi, either one of em can win tho depending on how the fight goes and what knowledge Minato has of Itachi's jutsus. Danzou had knowledge of all 3 jutsus, who knows if he ever relayed that info to the hokage. (and had Minato been alive)

    Itachi's biggest problem going in the fight would be his chakra, that's always been the problem for him, followed by the degrading vision. EMS Sasuke would fare better against Minato than Mangekyou Itachi, that is if he has gained the spiritual weapons and betters his Tsukuyomi skills.

    When Hashirama started fighting Madara, the uchiha brothers both had Mangekyou at the time. Madara wouldn't have been as capable with his Tsukuyomi at Itachi was with his mainly because Itachi was a genjutsu specialist. Madara's level of skill with Tsukuyomi would've started out just as Sasuke. And his repeated use of it against Hashirama, starting with the weakest version while getting stronger with the EMS, would've given Shodai the opportunity to either create a counter against it, build up a tolerance to it, or just outright endure it because of the physical energies.

    All hokages have some sort of genjutsu counter/training to begin with. Hashirama/Tobirama/Tsunade being senjus would be better at enduring the Tsukuyomis, but Sarutobi and Minato would've had to resort to other means like not getting caught to begin with. If Minato got caught in Itachi's Tsukuyomi, it could prove very devastating for him, kinda like kakashi, but he still might have a chance to teleport away and save himself if he could resist it even for a moment. He can evade Amaterasu much like the Raikage did, and Susanoo wouldn't be a problem for Minato at all, unless Minato came up close and tried to attack. Minato would just have to play the waiting game against Itachi's Susanoo, and Itachi would be in hell of a lot of trouble if he got marked by Minato.

    Quote Originally Posted by StareIntoMySharingan View Post
    you sure? i mean sure, he was called the yellow flash, probably because of his space/time technique, but shisui uchiha also had a reputation. shisui's reputation was specifically, for his shunshin

    he was probably faster than itachi, making him faster than everybody >:]

    base speed + shunshin of course
    Lol, I totally forgot about Shisui. yea, his shunshin left mirages behind, much like the Raikage raiton shrould leaves afterimages. Shisui is prolly up there at Minato and Raikage level, but I think it also might've had to do with Shisui's sharingan that caused people to think he was faster, as you saw with Danzou using Shisui's eye against Sasuke, Danzou didn't really shunshin, he headfaked Sasuke, causing Sasuke to believe he was still standing there when Sasuke charged at him. Shisui used a mixture of shunshin + sharingan mind manipulation to get the job done.

    And I'm not sure anymore that Minato's yellow flash moniker is due to the Hiraishin. Hiraishin seems like a summoning technique, with the clouds appearing/dissipating when he teleports.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/501/06/

    If you look at the example I gave earlier, when Minato saved Kushina from the kyubi's strike, there was a yellow flash, even Madara made a reference to it. The flash is due to his hair in a speed blur when he shunshins. Now, it's pretty safe to assume there wasn't a marker on top of that tree. Minato Hiraishined to Kushina because the marker is built into her jinchuriki seal, picked her up while the kyubi's paw was in the air coming down full force, and got out of there before it struck the rock. For Minato to get to the top of that tree on that cliff using Hiraishin, he would've needed either of the 3 things. one, a marker placed there already, two, he could've thrown Kushina high up in the air towards the tree on the cliff, then Hiraishined to her, catching her again, I highly doubt he threw his wife like that, or three, he would've had to throw a kunai up there while he was holding his wife, and then teleport to the kunai, that didn't happen either. What Minato most likely did was Hiraishin to Kushina cause of the builtin seal, then shunshin str8 forward on top of the first tree, then shunshin jump to the second tree on top of the cliff. All this before the kyubi paw struck the ground, that is the fastest shunshin speed in the manga ever, that's why he was called the yellow flash cause of the blur he leaves behind due to pure speed. The yellow flash has nothing to do with Hiraishin.

    There's 3 levels to Minato's speed. Base, when it's just the physical body at work (taijutsu), as was shown when he caught Naruto in the air before Madara's kunai struck. Then even faster is the shunshin (jutsu), which is what causes the yellow flash, as was displayed when he rescued kushina from the kyubi, then even faster is the Hiraishin, which is instantaneous as Minato displayed against Madara, teleporting before being warped or teleporting mid-attack, to behind Madara and then catching the kunai in one hand, hitting Madara with the rasengan with the other.
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    If he got marked by Minato then it's already over for Itachi.But knowing him,he probably will use crow bunshins.Itachi is tricky as well.I didn't point Itachi using Amaterasu,because we already knew the outcome(Sasuke vs Raikage) and Susano most of the time will be for defence and Itachi probably will make only one attack with the weapons if he knows that he won't miss the target.Well all we can do is speculate how the fight will go on between these two great shinobis of Konoha.Case closed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yondaime123 View Post
    If he got marked by Minato then it's already over for Itachi.But knowing him,he probably will use crow bunshins.Itachi is tricky as well.I didn't point Itachi using Amaterasu,because we already knew the outcome(Sasuke vs Raikage) and Susano most of the time will be for defence and Itachi probably will make only one attack with the weapons if he knows that he won't miss the target.Well all we can do is speculate how the fight will go on between these two great shinobis of Konoha.Case closed?
    Let me put it in the simplest way possible. Itachi and Minato are both about equals when it comes to strengths used against others. Hell, Itachi even has more powerful and far more destructive jutsus than yondaime. But when you pit them both against each other, Minato gains the upper hand. Only EMS Madara with a space/time jutsu would be stronger than both. But Kishi took away Madara's EMS jutsus and only gave him a defensive space/time jutsu, thus balancing him out.

    Itachi's best chance against yondaime is catching him in a full onslaught of the worst Tsukuyomi possible. Ok, every1 really likes to point to Itachi's skilled use of karasubunshins. Now what would happen if Minato used Kagebunshins? Before you say no, let me say something first.

    Sarutobi taught Jiraiya, who taught Nagato and then Minato, who taught Kakashi, who taught Naruto who taught Konohamaru. Sarutobi, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto, Konohamaru all can use kagebunshins, some more efficiently depending on their chakra levels. Do you doubt Minato learned kagebunshins as well? What would happen if he used kagebunshins with shunshin/hiraishin combos? Better question, wtf would happen if a healthy Nagato used kagebunshins? We know Nagato at age ten learned all of Jiraiya's techniques, when he destroyed one of Jiraiya's kagebunshins with the fuuton. Instead of 6 paths each limited in their scope of power to the path's ability, now imagine 6 rinnegan wielding Nagato kagebunshins each capable of using all the powers of the 7 paths. And you know he's got the chakra to spare to create some powerful kagebunshins.

    *sigh* Thing is you've all placed Mangekyou jutsus on such a high pedestal, much like what you did with the kyubi, don't blame ya, that's what it was most of the first 400 chapters. some of you still do not understand the full powers of the Mangekyou/Rinnegan and their relationship to each other and senjus/uzumakis. Btw, the spiritual weapons are not part of Susanoo's inherent ability, Madara's Susanoo would be without em, same goes for Izuna, and Sasuke. Only Itachi's Susanoo was special, up until Sasuke's EMS, if he does acquire them.

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    Sorry I don't see how Minato will gain the upper hand from kagebushins.First I highly doubt it's in his fighting style,second if he is going to make advanced bunshins like Naruto,then his chakra reserve will be rapidly drain and also will make him unable to use shunshin or/and hirashin.
    Sarutobi taught Jiraiya, who taught Nagato and then Minato, who taught Kakashi, who taught Naruto who taught Konohamaru. Sarutobi, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto, Konohamaru all can use kagebunshins, some more efficiently depending on their chakra levels. Do you doubt Minato learned kagebunshins as well? What would happen if he used kagebunshins with shunshin/hiraishin combos? Better question, wtf would happen if a healthy Nagato used kagebunshins? We know Nagato at age ten learned all of Jiraiya's techniques, when he destroyed one of Jiraiya's kagebunshins with the fuuton. Instead of 6 paths each limited in their scope of power to the path's ability, now imagine 6 rinnegan wielding Nagato kagebunshins each capable of using all the powers of the 7 paths. And you know he's got the chakra to spare to create some powerful kagebunshins.
    About that part I can say if Nagato had the Jyuubi in himself he'd probably could do it.
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    Itachi's best chance against yondaime is catching him in a full onslaught of the worst Tsukuyomi possible.
    Well the real fight will be determined in max 1 min and so.Man we really can only speculate the how the fight will go on between them,because of their abilities.I'm just sticking that Itachi is the winner.I like Minato but he failed to protect Kushina from Tobi.Well Itachi had an half success with Sasuke,but he managed to keep him alive from the elders and almost from "Madara"'s hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yondaime123 View Post
    Sorry I don't see how Minato will gain the upper hand from kagebushins.First I highly doubt it's in his fighting style,second if he is going to make advanced bunshins like Naruto,then his chakra reserve will be rapidly drain and also will make him unable to use shunshin or/and hirashin.

    About that part I can say if Nagato had the Jyuubi in himself he'd probably could do it.
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    Well the real fight will be determined in max 1 min and so.Man we really can only speculate the how the fight will go on between them,because of their abilities.I'm just sticking that Itachi is the winner.I like Minato but he failed to protect Kushina from Tobi.Well Itachi had an half success with Sasuke,but he managed to keep him alive from the elders and almost from "Madara"'s hands.
    I didn't say kagebunshins alone would give Minato the upper hand. I don't know what the hell you read. I said overall when you pit Itachi against Minato, yondaime has the upper hand when you look at all their skills/jutsus. Kagebunshins would only be a part of Minato's arsenal. I only used Minato kagebunshin example for countering your statement that Itachi would use karasubunshins to trick his opponents. Minato should be able to use kagebunshins to his advantage as well. Do karasubunshins not drain Itachi of his chakra? Can his karasubunshin use Susanoo or Amaterasu? The argument goes both ways man. They both prolly have the same/similar stamina and chakra reserves. One or two kagebunshins shouldn't affect Minato's ability to shunshin much, if a couple karasubunshins wouldn't affect Itachi's chakra reserves for Susanoo.

    Nagato would need the jyubi's chakra to create 6 kagebunshins? Did you just say that? Seriously? Chou Shinra Tensei, Chibaku Tensei, Gedou Rinne Tensei all require less chakra than 6 kagebunshins? I didn't say all 6 of the kagebunshins would be using chibaku Tenseis of their own, but they would have the capability to, you forget that Nagato has other jutsus in his aresenal as well, his mastery of elemental jutsus, that alone should suffice, along with preta's ability to absorb all ninjutsu and the soul sucker, what if you had 6 soul suckers coming towards you from each direction, what would u do?

    Bad analogy, Minato had to protect his wife and son. His wife would've wanted him to save the son first, no matter. Itachi didn't really have to protect Sasuke from Tobi's space/time jutsu.

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    Is there a Difference between Futton Rasenshuriken, and Rasenshuriken

    I am very familiar with the FRS, now I sometimes hear about RS. Are we talking about the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulbee View Post
    Is there a Difference between Futton Rasenshuriken, and Rasenshuriken

    I am very familiar with the FRS, now I sometimes hear about RS. Are we talking about the same thing?
    yes. fuuton: rasengan is a different jutsu altogether though.
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