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    Neji being a Jounin isn't really wierd at all. He has 4 years of experience as a ninja and he's always been very good. Frankly if Sandaime hadn't been killed when he was it is possible more of the gennin would've advanced to Chunin then. In particular Shino would have been a good candidate and Naruto or Sasuke may have demonstrated enough skill to move up as well.(Though to be fair each had major faults which may have excluded them)

    Neji's main fault was his cold indifference to everything because it was all fated from birth. Naruto broke him of this notion which would have made him a much wiser and therefore more promotion worthy ninja. He probably got chunin a few months after Naruto left and then just improved enough to become a jounin.

    Also we don't know when exactly he made jounin. He may have only made it a few months prior to naruto's return. 3 years is easily enough time to advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alterno View Post
    Konoha is a country too, is established during the first episodes of the anime and first chapters of the manga, also is explained the relationship between the land of fire and konoha. If konoha were just a mere military force then why the wife of the feudal lord would have to pay for the service of recovering her cat?.

    When Suna and sound village attacked konoha it was the decision of the Kazekage and the kage of the sound village. Of course Orochimaru killed Sandaime Kazakage to gain more control over Suna, but they acted because it was an order of their leader (the Kazekage). The strenght of each country is based in the number and strenght of their shinobi nations. They indeed have a deal with the land of fire's feudal lord from which both receive benefits. Konoha receives a part of the land for their nation and Land of country increases the power of their military force, by using the services of the shinobi as bodyguards and during the time of wars as payment.
    Konoha isnt a country man Konohagakure (木ノ葉隠れの里, Konohagakure no Sato?, literally "Village Hidden Among Tree Leaves"; also known as "Village Hidden in the Leaves" or "Hidden Leaf Village"), or Konoha, WIKIPEDIA

    That alone should prove konoha is not a country, Its a village, Since when are villages countries? Here is even more proof

    The Land of Fire (火の国, Hi no Kuni?) is a geographical feature in the anime and manga series Naruto. It is one of the largest and most powerful country in the series. Its hidden village, Konohagakure




    Quote Originally Posted by Kendoki View Post
    A civil war would be if Konoha split up and the two sides fought each other. >_>
    lol, ur right, Alterno was right about Jounins being a rank not power level though. So this thread should be closed since its basing on the assumption that jounin=greater power
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetta View Post
    Konoha isnt a country man Konohagakure (木ノ葉隠れの里, Konohagakure no Sato?, literally "Village Hidden Among Tree Leaves"; also known as "Village Hidden in the Leaves" or "Hidden Leaf Village"), or Konoha, WIKIPEDIA

    That alone should prove konoha is not a country, Its a village, Since when are villages countries? Here is even more proof

    The Land of Fire (火の国, Hi no Kuni?) is a geographical feature in the anime and manga series Naruto. It is one of the largest and most powerful country in the series. Its hidden village, Konohagakure






    lol, ur right, Alterno was right about Jounins being a rank not power level though. So this thread should be closed since its basing on the assumption that jounin=greater power
    To be fair you are forgetting the Idea of a City-State. And we do still have such a thing today:The Vatican for example is actually it's own country despite the fact that it isn't even the size of a normal city and I'm sure there are a few other city-states out there as well. Even if there aren't there used to be.

    As for closing the thread it is not necessarily basing ranks on power.
    It is arguable that moving up in rank requires a certain level of maturity/experience/intelligence. While the original question does seem to be power based it is also true that three years may seem a short time to move from the gennin level of maturity/experience/intelligence to the jounin level of the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by placeboshotgun View Post
    To be fair you are forgetting the Idea of a City-State. And we do still have such a thing today:The Vatican for example is actually it's own country despite the fact that it isn't even the size of a normal city and I'm sure there are a few other city-states out there as well. Even if there aren't there used to be.

    As for closing the thread it is not necessarily basing ranks on power.
    It is arguable that moving up in rank requires a certain level of maturity/experience/intelligence. While the original question does seem to be power based it is also true that three years may seem a short time to move from the gennin level of maturity/experience/intelligence to the jounin level of the same.
    ok, but in the manga it is clearly shown konoha is not a country but part of Country of Fire.

    and yes, clearly the poster said neiji lost the fight to naruto, why he should not be a jounin or some sort. That alone the poster is basing it off power, NOT RANK. Neiji may have been upgraded due to his intelligence,skills, and leading a team. Its a collection of everything a ninja knows. Just because neiji lost in a One on one fight. Does not mean it should of hindered his progress. Naruto would never achieve jounin statues if he does not show leadership quality or the skills to lead a team. Which naruto currently does not know how to. Neiji could of been upgraded to jounin because of his other qualities, No reason to believe he should of not been because he lost to naruto.

    Just like how skikamaru "gave up" and lost and was the only one who became a chuunin in the exam. He had other qualities to make up for his fightning abilities.
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    I gave a little example on how Neji most likely made his way to the Jounin rank. Its the #2 post.

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    for people doubting why neiji should not be a jounin because he lost to naruto, listen to afro thunda and Alterno (regarding ranks)





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    They even explained why Neji and Naruto wouldnt have become chuunin after Shikamaru's fight in the Chuunin exam.

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    its just like shikamaru, he's probably weaker than naruto, but strength doesn't matter that much in jounin ranks, jounin are group leaders mostly, jounin must have the capability to lead others, naruto obviously never will be able to do that...

    if it did resemble just strength, then itachi would've been hokage already when he was about the age of 11... because he whooped orochimaru's ass back then...

    kakashi should be like semi-kage

    sakura would be jounin already..
    sasuke too...
    naruto too...

    and those jounin back when the resque sasuke arc was before time period should be like chuunin, since genin managed to beat those crappy shinobi of orochimaru and those jounin couldn't...

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    There is an interesting power dynamic between the Land of Fire and Konoha.

    Konoha seems to be autonomous when it comes to making militaristic decisions. When it comes to the shinobi there is no higher authority than the Hokage and the village elders. Nonetheless, Konoha has no primary industry other than making shinobi. They have artisans and retail stores, but no real industry such as farming or mining or steel production. Konoha relies both direct funding from the Feudal Lord of the Land of Fire and doing as many missions as possible to maintain its size, power and quality of life within Konoha.

    Remember what happened to Suna? Suna declared peace with Konoha, so the Feudal Lord of the Land of Wind decided to cut funding to Suna because he perceived their to be less of a threat from other villages while they were at peace. Since they lost funding from the Feudal Lord, they were perceived as weaker, thus they also lost clients to villages such as Konoha, which was still perceived as strong. This is self perpetuating cylce: a village is thought to be weak, so they lose clients, so they don't have as much money, which causes fewer shinobi to be trained, which causes them to be weaker... and so on. This the reason given as to why Suna lost its power and the Kazekage decided make and alliance with Orochimaru to destroy Konoha. If Konoha no longer existed, then Suna would take a share of the clients that would normally have gone to Konoha and thusly would have become stronger, which would get them more clients...

    It's a very capitalistic (supply/demand) way of running a military.

    I doubt that the Land of Fire has much in the way of a formal government... It's more like an alliance of villages coordinated by the Feudal Lord. The Feudal Lord, probably collects some type of tax from each of the villages, organizes trade amongst them and is responsible for getting shinobi to protect them when their village is under attack.

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    Oh... Neji... yeah, it's like 6 months to the next Chunin exams, he takes the exam then, passes then has about 2 years to become a Jounin. With Neji's "genius" and his improved attitude thanks to Naruto, I really didn't see him becoming a Jounin as a problem. Although it did take Kakashi 7 years to become a Jounin from a Chunin... But he was 13 when he became a Jounin. So... Neji: a Jounin at 16, not a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by gin0va
    if it did resemble just strength, then itachi would've been hokage already when he was about the age of 11... because he whooped orochimaru's ass back then...
    What are you talking about? Itachi didn't fight Oro when he has 11, he was 13 by the time he became an ANBU squad leader. Then he left to be an Akatsuki, but we have no idea how much time it took after that for Oro to leave to Akatsuki and try to take on Itachi. We know that it was somewhere between the age of 13 and 18, but that's all we know.

    Quote Originally Posted by gin0va
    and those jounin back when the resque sasuke arc was before time period should be like chuunin, since genin managed to beat those crappy shinobi of orochimaru and those jounin couldn't...
    1. They just came back from a mission and were chakra depleted.
    2. They made it easier for the genin because they forced the sound-nin to use CS2, which takes a huge amount of chakra.
    3. It was 4 on 2
    4. 2 of the 4 Genin needed help from the sand shinobi to beat them, so it was 4 on 6 (or 5 on 7 if you count Akamaru and Ukon)

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    The Sound nin had the cocky attitudes and underestimated the genin which caused them to lose also. I think only Kimimaro and Tayuya(for most of her fight) were taking it seriously.

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