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After thinking about it, I don't think Madara orchestrated the whole thing. I'm thinking what happened was that he had Zetsu keep tabs on Kakashi and Rin and then ordered him to not intervene if they...

A while ago I saw someone say that much like how Sasuke's thematic motif is "hatred", Tobi's is "misery". I think that should be amended now to "failure". As Obito, he was a failure all his life: He...

This goes back to the sentiment that I was complaining about in the previous dicsussion thread: That losing someone precious to him is somehow not a good enough motivation for him to lose faith in...

Exactly. It seems to me like some of these people are actually complaining about the villains here being more complex than a villain who's simply all evil and completely irredeemable just 'cause,...

I see, my mistake then.

Yes it is. To others it might be a deal breaker, but to me it seems overblown.

And I'm sure Kishimoto will get around to explaining it. I highly doubt that he'll leave something this big...

Just because he was exactly like Naruto doesn't mean he was incorruptible. Hell, even Naruto had some darkness inside him for a while. Anyone can go bad under the right circumstances. It wouldn't...

I just don't see how it's inadequate. He suffered a devastating loss, not to mention being a perpetual failure, and was probably in the right frame of mind from both of those aspects to be won over...

Long time lurker, first time poster. Was motivated by all the complaining about the latest chapter. What I'm not getting is why is Obito turing evil because of Rin's death any less believeable than...