Originally Posted by arisart
Enel most probably can go from A to B faster than Enel.His reactions arent good enough to allow him to react to Jimbe's attacks and do that.
You have,but it is not enough to support what you are claiming.
I've already given my reasoning on this debate. Enel HAD to stand there and wait for Luffy to be close enough for him to be able to strike back. He miscalculated and didn't expect that Luffy's final attack would be much more faster than usual which he evaded easily. I agree that his reaction is still slower than his actual movement cause if his reaction speed is as fast as his movement he would still be avoided it.
What you're saying is something correct,but it does not change the fact that if he's reactions were even close to someone like Post TS Sanji,he'd have still evaded that with absolute ease.The fact that he couldnt,only means that he wouldnt be able to evade an attack from Post TS Zoro.
He could only give him some trouble if the distance was too great,because he could spam his attacks before Zoro reached him,but nothing indicates that without maxim his attacks would able to bring Zoro down for good,not to mention that with his CoO and extreme reactions he would dodge most of them.When Zoro has reached him,its game over for him.
I'm sorry,but isnt it blatantly obvious that Jimbe is somewhat on par with current Luffy?Do you seriously need anything more?
If Enel would fight Jinbei, he doesn't even have to resort to his trident and stood in front of Jinbei like a sitting duck. You talk like Jinbei is faster than Enel in general. We haven't even seen him do any speed feat. You're just assuming that Jinbei is faster than pre-time skip Luffy. Although I agree with that, It's practically isn't much.
His reaction was good enough to block a g2 attack from post TS Luffy.
His reaction would be a lot faster though if he uses CoO which Luffy doesn't have at that time. But that's only for defense which imo is still slower than lightning.
And he was fast enough to punch Luffy back.
The way you talk makes it seem otherwise.When you're saying that he's close to them,it is like he wouldnt be stomped by them.
You don't have to repeat all of this. I'm not disagreeing with it. In fact, believe in it all as well. What I'm arguing about is Jinbei ain't top tier. He's high tier like Enel (both we agree) so saying, A guy who is on the same tier would only have 0.01 percent of winning is ridiculous.
And even among the high tiers,there can be great differences.
For example Magellan was able to take out a fellow high-tier(Iva) with no significant injuries.Shiryu was his equal.He could take Iva without mch trouble aswell.
And i've trouble believing that Oars JR was only a mid-tier,yet Kuma and Dofla made him seem like a joke.Though i suppose you could make a case for Dofla being a top-tier,but i personally doubt it.
Boa Hancock had Momonga on his kness,if that counts for anything.Its clear that there are big differences even among the high-tiers.
I cannot consider Moria a mid tier either yet Jimbe dealed with him pretty easily in the war.
This is where we disagree.And since you seem to agree that Enel would be stomped by Aka for example,i dont see why do yu rank him as upper high tier.Just so you know,i do not rank current Luffy or Smoker as upper high tiers either.
I've already stated that Enel is on high-tier not top. Only his offense is what I considered Top. In general he is on the upper high tier. Guys like Jinbei and the VA's outside of few are high tiers. And we both know the gap between high and top.
The high-high tiers should be the guys who are somehow close to the top-tiers and can put up a fight against them.Enel,Luffy,Jimbe,Iva and many others we've mentioned,do not qualify as such.
I can see someone like Shanks having close to a billion.
Anyway back to the original topic. Imo opinion Ace has 450 mil on strength and +100 mil due to his bloodline. Sofar that's the highest bounty we know. Can't wait to see the Yonkou's bounty if there's any.