well i think that he is bigger as in mass wize because he looks a lot wider but shorter.
here are good reference points.
you can see both of them have people with in closer range
decken is a bit smaller but a bit smaller away and the straw hats are a bit close and a bit bigger. so i think they are closer in size than we think.
i would say nightmare luffy was a bit bigger than jimbi
so yeah i would say they are a lot closer than we had thought
@Cross, Lmao on your fist comparison. If we go by that and say nightmare Luffy is a bit bigger than Jinbei then it still makes Wadatsumi bigger than Oz. Wadatsumi's fist is small in comparison with his body while Oz's fist is big in comparison with his body. Now put that picture of Oz and Wadatsumi together with their fist at almost same size then Wadatsumi is bigger.
*^ that makes a lot of sense, I was reading the comparisons and thought for a minute they may be the about the same size, not considering the proportions of their hands.
But as you said, - that would make Wadatsumi A LOT bigger, unless Oda drew Wadatsumi's fists small in the 1st frame (meaning they are normally bigger), if they are normal size in that first frame however, then he would dwarf Oz (I mean even before he blows out, obviously puffed up Wadatsumi is bigger - just meaning their base sizes).
But then the question arises, though that San Juan, and Oars Jr., they are clearly bigger/ taller than these 2, right?
If you look at the Wadatsumi picture you can see his hand over his eye (like he's looking for something).
Notice his eye is nearly half the size of his hand (and that can kind of give us a picture how large his head is) - now looking at Oz, his hand is bigger then his entire head - that comparing the sizes of their fists with Nightmare Luffy/Jimbie stopping them its clear that Wadatsumi *should* be MUCH larger.
Also I didnt think Oz Jr was THAT big, I though he was similar to Oz, and as for San Juan - the picture where he is hiding behind marine ford (where the other normal giants were small in the frame) made him look almost too big, obviously much bigger then Wadatsumi/Oz/or anyother Giant we've seen.
You're right that pic with San Juan seems almost deceptively confusing, so I wouldn't know either way.
We never saw Wadatsumi, or Oz, or even San Juan fully in the water, but Oars Jr. started out in the water unfrozen by Ao Kiji and made his way to that ice. Don't remember that clearly, and am not clearly sure how close the water level was to the ground 's surface; but if i remember correctly Oars jr. wasn't even 'submerged' up to his knees, and he was still taller than the top tip of the sails of the Navy ships. Not to mention sometimes Oars jr.'s head was shown right under / actually within/ and or basically 'scraping the clouds in those memories with Ace I based my decision on those because as tall as they were, I don't think Oz, or Wadatsumi, could match that in terms of height.
So this all boils down to I guess, what others constantly say , that Oda is just really way too inconsistant with his sizes of characters in the actual drawings and differing POV's.
I thought in that picture Wadatsumi's legs were bending back, like there at a angle where I thought they could be going behind him - also I was looking for another picture of him that showed his legs but couldn't find one (ALL the pictures of him I found his lower half is covered by smoke).
But its like you said, who can say for sure. Oda isn't great at drawing consistencies with his sizes of characters.
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Anyways, I was re-reading OP and I was curious if there was a general consensus on how many marines there were? I mean there must be at least a 500k+ though I'm thinking there may be as many as 2m ish.
I get this because during the buster call there are at least (or from what i counted - though I may be wrong) 10ships in that fleet, I don't know how many solders one of the marines vessels can carry, however I'm guessing like 1-2k since I know that a modern aircraft carrier holds like 5-6k.
So during a buster call there are 10ships (at least) holding 1.5k troops = 15k, however if i remember correctly they are all ranked captain or higher (with 5 Vice Admirals). Ok so, 15k isn't that many at first, however considering that it means there must be 15k captains and 5 admirals on standby and there must be more then 1 post that holds the troops (since obviously its a big ocean) I'm guessing there would have to be like idk, at least 14 different stations holding the troops just in case a buster call is called.
I'm saying 14 stations (at least) because there are 11 different routes to take getting to sabony, and it seems like the routes can't be crossed - with that you would at least need 1 station per route plus I'm thinking 1 per ocean (aside the east blue, seeing that its the weakest).
So yeah, that ends up to like 210k captains (or more) and 70 Vice Admirals that are ALWAYS on standby just in case. This isn't including the other marines stationed at other points keeping order, nor is it considering what the marine presence in the NW could be.
So yeah, lol it was a long post however, how many marines do you think there are?